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Postby TheBookPolice » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:23 am

Daisy wrote:McCain's credibility when speaking of soldiers lives and their sacrifice/waste is somewhat different from Obama's. Which is not to say that the latter didn't read some very nice books about the matter at Harvard.


I'll expect your derision for every other Senator, Representative, Cabinet member and all members of government who haven't seen active duty any minute now. Because only those who have fought can be credible on the issue. There's no way for anyone else to be intelligent on the issue.

In fact, people can only be credible speakers on issues they themselves have experienced firsthand. No other learning will do. There goes the career of every historian. Damn.

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Postby Chuck_Schick » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:27 am

Daisy wrote:McCain's credibility when speaking of soldiers lives and their sacrifice/waste is somewhat different from Obama's.

Right. McCain supported the debacle from the get-go and now admits it was a waste of human capital. So I guess that means McCain's credibility has been completely shit-canned, whereas Obama can speak critically without sounding like a complete pussy-whipped tool of the administration. Dude couldn't even defend himself when Bush was slandering him in the primary. A real war hero would have horse-whipped the coke-addled, deserting little bitch.

I know you've served, Daisy, so maybe you think your opinion of this military action counts more than those of us who wouldn't volunteer for fodder duty if you held a fucking gun to our heads. But in my opinion, if you've served and suffered in one pointless war and then turn around and support another pointless war, you're twice the idiot of the guy who says "fuck that" without the benefit of an honorable discharge.

McCain's opinion means dick.

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Postby Ned Flanders » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:40 am

Uh-Oh :shock:

Can a Muslim decendent of slave owners become prez?

Census records, genealogical research show forebears of Obama's mother had slaves

WASHINGTON // Many people know that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's father was from Kenya and his mother from Kansas.

But an intriguing sliver of his family history has received almost no attention until now: It appears that forebears of his white mother owned slaves, according to genealogical research and census records

more...

According to the research, one of Obama's great-great-great-great grandfathers, George Washington Overall, owned two slaves who were recorded in the 1850 census in Nelson County, Ky. The same records show that one of Obama's great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers, Mary Duvall, also owned two slaves.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation ... 3027.story

Actually, this has the stink of Klinton's Krew all over it.
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Postby Chuck_Schick » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:56 am

Oh for crissakes, Flanders.

Prescott Bush was a Nazi sympathizer. Joe Kennedy was a bootlegger.

Sins of the fathers.

Give a shit. Nobody cares.

p.s. $500 says there's a slave owner or old-country fascist somewhere in Giuliani's lineage.

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Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:32 am

Jeez, quoting the bits of story that Ned leaves out when he posts links is becoming a second job for me. Seriously, Flounders, do you even read the stories you link to before you start bleating?

From Ned's link above (emphasis added):
[R]esearch identifies two other presidential candidates, Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former Democratic Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, as descendants of slave owners. Three of McCain's great-great-grandfathers in Mississippi owned slaves, including one who owned 52 in 1860.


Uh-oh! If Obama's unelectable and a bad widdle boy for having four slaves in his family history, I guess McCain is more than 14 times worse! Egad, man!

Oh, yeah, then there's this:
Genealogical experts who reviewed the Obama family tree at the request of The Sun would not vouch for its findings.

Most of the historical entries lack citations of authenticating source material, such as birth and death certificates or marriage licenses, said Barbara Vines Little, past president of the National Genealogical Society in Virginia, adding that "he has nothing here that I can see that would allow you to make any logical link."


Oh, and this is irrelevant, but worth quoting anyway:
... relatives of former Sen. Strom Thurmond appear to have owned the ancestors of civil rights activist the Rev. Al Sharpton.

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Postby DrAwkward » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:40 am

So...Ned...since the Republicans are the party of Lincoln...who ended slavery...as you so often like to point out...does this make McCain...a hypocrite??

I mean, by your standards, the answer would be yes, right?

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Postby Ned Flanders » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:40 am

Well, first I asked if someone could overcome having both Muslim and slave-holding histories. Was John McCain's father a Muslim? No.

Secondly, this again demonstrates the danger of playing racial political games (the first BLACK PRESIDENT!). The Dems just can't help themselves, but it can bite you in the ass sometimes too.

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Postby Chuck_Schick » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:52 am

We get it, Flanders. You hate Muslims. You'd like to see them wiped from the face of the planet lest they invade your shitty little cookie-cutter tinderbox in Edina or whatever miserable fucking 'burb of like-minded Norski numbskulls you inhabit. You're a raving fucking racist and you don't care who knows it. Believe me, we're hip to your horseshit already.

And the only ones playing "racial political games" are the legions of cowardly crackers on your side who can't find anything substantive to criticize the guy for.

But you've gotta give the GOP scum-runners credit. "His mama's family owned slaves" is a far more innocuous message than the "whites only" sign they wanted to hang on the Oval Office door.

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Postby DrAwkward » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:31 pm

Obama does not have a Muslim past.

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Postby nutria » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:13 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:Well, first I asked if someone could overcome having both Muslim and slave-holding histories. Was John McCain's father a Muslim? No.



So, are you implying that being a Muslim is worse than owning slaves?

Just come out and say you hate all Muslims, real or imagined (refer to DrAwkward's post above), for no other reason than that they are Muslim. You'll feel better.

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Postby Ned Flanders » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:28 pm

My point was that it would be hard enough for Obama to shake his Muslim roots in the eyes of the general public without adding the eye-popping revelation that his family has slave ownership in its past.

That's just too much for a politically inexperienced media creation to overcome. Especially when Hillary's henchmen will continue to float these types of stories.

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Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:01 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:... the eye-popping revelation that his family has slave ownership in its past.

Damn but you're hard-up for bile to spew. This is simply a non-starter. There is absolutely nothing "eye-popping" about American families having slave ownership in their history. By the time the American Revolution was underway, 20% of the population in this country was enslaved blacks. Obviously, someone owned'em - who the fuck cares who at this late date?

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Postby Ned Flanders » Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:08 pm

Prof. Wagstaff wrote:Obviously, someone owned'em - who the fuck cares who at this late date?

Please inform the reperations crowd.

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Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:16 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:
Prof. Wagstaff wrote:Obviously, someone owned'em - who the fuck cares who at this late date?

Please inform the reperations crowd.

Again, Ned - you're just being half-a-dunce.
The "reparations crowd" want redress from the government, not from any particular families.

Lemme ask you this: can you name a single person who, in the last century, was unelectable to any office because five generations back, their family owned slaves?

You can keep posting nonsense, but it won't turn this into an issue. It hardly even qualifies as a red herring.

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Postby nickled&dimed » Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:41 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:.... but it can bite you in the ass sometimes too.

There is no ass bitten by this story, unless you count the career of the pathetic journalist who thought it newsworthy.


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