Do you support the HR 4437 proposal?

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Do you support or against H.R. 4437?

Poll ended at Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:37 pm

Against It Completely, Let them Be!
6
40%
Support what HR 4437 proposes, its only right
1
7%
Against all Illegal Immigration Period!
7
47%
This is the Land of the Free, let everyone in
1
7%
 
Total votes: 15

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Postby white_rabbit » Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:31 am

I wonder how Native Americans feel about immigration?

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Postby kurt_w » Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:31 am

Chuck_Schick wrote:Oh, and could we maybe discuss this topic under a single thread, for fuck's sake?


Ho ho. Wait til you see the new thread:

[Poll] Should illegal aliens be allowed to shoot feral cats that are smoking in bars?

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Postby Chuck_Schick » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:10 am

kurt_w wrote:
[Poll] Should illegal aliens be allowed to shoot feral cats that are smoking in bars?

Hay-ell, no!

[ ... chaws cud ... ]

That thar's a job fer a Marekin!


Fucking rednecks. Go back to Europe.

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Postby PaleoLiberal » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:45 am

Henry Vilas wrote:
VintageGirl wrote:vote

Do you mean vote in this topic's poll or in the November elections? Would you vote for a right winger just because he or she opposes immigration?



I can't think of a single politician who opposes immigration. Could you name a few for us? AFAIK, only a few fringe groups have suggested repeal of the 1965 immigration law and reverting to the 1924 law. I cannot think of a single elected official who has taken that position.


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Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:50 am

PaleoLiberal wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:
VintageGirl wrote:vote

Do you mean vote in this topic's poll or in the November elections? Would you vote for a right winger just because he or she opposes immigration?



I can't think of a single politician who opposes immigration. Could you name a few for us? AFAIK, only a few fringe groups have suggested repeal of the 1965 immigration law and reverting to the 1924 law. I cannot think of a single elected official who has taken that position.


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Sorry, I should have said: "Would you vote for a right winger just because he or she supports HR 4437"?

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Postby PaleoLiberal » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:36 pm

white_rabbit wrote:I wonder how Native Americans feel about immigration?



Why don't you ask some? As for myself, my family has welcomed immigrants for hundereds of years.

Here is an example of the generosity shown by one of my ancestors, Nancy Ward, the Ghigau to an illegal alien woman and her anchor baby (the first white baby born in TN). (I am a ninth generation direct descendant of the Ghigau, and I am a properly documented member of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. The War Chief Dragging Canoe mentioned below (aka the Red Napolean) was the Ghigau's first cousin, the son of her uncle the Peace Chief Attakullakulla (aka the Little Carpenter). Raven means both the bird and a leader of a war party. A white boy named Sam Houston ran away to join with the Cherokee, and was given the title Raven. In Cherokee custom it was common to use one's title as a name. For example Fivekiller and Tuskeegee Killer were titles. Another famous example was Major Ridge. Major was not only Mr. Ridge's name, but it was his rank in the US Army.

from: http://www.nancyward.com/b13019.htm

In June 1776, Dragging Canoe, Abraham, and Raven, war chiefs of the Cherokees, with about two hundred and fifty warriors each, at the instigation of the British, planned to attack the western settlements. But the effect of these raids was greatly reduced by Ghi-ga-u's timely warning to the settlers. On July 20, 1776, Abraham marching to attack Watauga, in East Tennessee, capture Mrs. Bean, the wife of William Bean, the mother of the first white child born in Tennessee.

On the return of the war party to the Cherokee country, Mrs. Bean was condemned by her captors to be burned at the stake. She was led to the top of a mound that stood in the center of Tuskeegee, which was located just above the mouth of Tellico or Little Tennessee River, where she was bound to the stake, the fagots were piled around her, but just as the torch was about to be applied, the Ghi-ga-u appeared, cut the thongs that bound her and took the captive to her home, where the grateful Mrs. Bean taught her how to keep house and to make butter.

Nota bene: Fagots bundles of sticks.

As soon as it was safe, The Ghi-ga-u returned Mrs. Bean to her husband and family under the escort of her brother, Tuskeegeeteehee or Longfellow of Chisatoa, and her son Hiskyteehee, or Fivekiller who was also known as Little Fellow.



However, I see how my ancestors' generosity was rewarded. The legal immigrants, such as Sam Houston and the Meigs family, were always friends to the Cherokee people. The illegal aliens stole our land and killed many of our people.

So, to answer your question, I have learned from history to welcome those who come here legally and who wish to be Americans, and to be wary of those who sneak in illegally and refuse to learn American English and American Culture. (Anyone who claims there is no American culture should refer to mixed-race Cherokees like Leadbelly and Jimi Hendrix).


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