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Re: one less bike...

Postby cloudy » Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:32 am

I'm surprised at the "you broke the law" comments. It's ridiculous and often unsafe to follow the letter of the law on a bike. Stop signs and red lights should be treated as yields - with good judgment it's more convenient for drivers and safer for bikers. Why should a cyclist sit in a clot of cars when it could get the hell out of the way so no one has to worry about him? There are times to follow the letter of the law, but losing momentum at an empty intersection to wait for cars to come and create a hazard is foolish.

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Re: one less bike...

Postby Goober McTuber » Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:39 am

cloudy wrote:There are times to follow the letter of the law, but losing momentum at an empty intersection to wait for cars to come and create a hazard is foolish.


I could make the same argument when driving my car. Obey the damn law.

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Re: one less bike...

Postby Crockett » Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:14 am

If I'm held to the EXACT laws of a car I'm going to act EXACTLY like a car. That means lining up at lights, not letting cars pass me on dangerous sections of street with no bike space, and in general acting exactly like a car (and probably pissing off drivers all over Madison).

The point is that bikes are cars are not the same and never will be. They should not be held to the same exact standards as cars because in some areas cars have the advantage and in others bikes have the advantage.

Cars hit bike, biker dead. Bike hits car, biker dead. Bike have to play by a slightly different rule book and yields at stop signs when no one is around are in that rule book.

I'll never come to a complete stop at a stop sign on a side road where no one is around. I may pay for it one day but I'll chalk it up to a tax (just like 55mph on the Beltline is basically a tax).

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Re: one less bike...

Postby Crockett » Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:20 am

Its only a matter of time before you have to get a 'bike license'...

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Re: one less bike...

Postby Crockett » Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:23 am

Do the the cops pull this bullshit in Europe?

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Re: one less bike...

Postby ArturoBandini » Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:36 am

Crockett wrote:Its only a matter of time before you have to get a 'bike license'...

"Crockett, king of the wild bicycle frontier"

I'm also curious to know how these issues are magnified or reduced in places where bicycling is a more dominant form of transport (e.g. Europe).

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Re: one less bike...

Postby Michael Patrick » Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:50 am

In Europe, doesn't the government give you a bicycle?

Damn socialists.

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Re: one less bike...

Postby Crockett » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:01 pm

Take a step outside the bizarre reality that is Madison and truly think about how absurd these bike-cop grants are. With all the issues in Madison (and this country) and politicians are spending our taxes on bike cops. Forget hunger, forget violent crime, forget the deficit, forget homelessness, forget failing schools, forget child nutrition...rolling through a stop sign is where we put our efforts.

Id love to know how many deaths (or even injuries) have resulted from bike-ped accidents in this city in the past year. My guess is not many. How many school supplies would these grants buy teachers at our public schools?

Yes, we do live in a world of finite resources where these comparisons are valid.

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Re: one less bike...

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:37 pm

Forget hunger, forget violent crime, forget the deficit, forget homelessness, forget failing schools, forget child nutrition...rolling through a stop sign is where we put our efforts.

Id love to know how many deaths (or even injuries) have resulted from bike-ped accidents in this city in the past year. My guess is not many. How many school supplies would these grants buy teachers at our public schools?


It almost sounds like you give a flying fuck about those things. All your posts to the point lead me to believe you do not. So why bring them up now? Pretty sure anyone who's lost a loved one due to a bike accident would disagree with your assessment.

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Re: one less bike...

Postby Crockett » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:46 pm

fisticuffs wrote:Pretty sure anyone who's lost a loved one due to a bike accident would disagree with your assessment.


So you're saying we need these bike cops to protect us from ourselves? Or are you saying the 'loved one' was a ped that was hit by a bike (who had rolled through a stop sign)?

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Re: one less bike...

Postby Crockett » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:49 pm

fisticuffs wrote:
Forget hunger, forget violent crime, forget the deficit, forget homelessness, forget failing schools, forget child nutrition...rolling through a stop sign is where we put our efforts.

Id love to know how many deaths (or even injuries) have resulted from bike-ped accidents in this city in the past year. My guess is not many. How many school supplies would these grants buy teachers at our public schools?


It almost sounds like you give a flying fuck about those things.


Its always 'us' vs 'them' with a broad brush right? You can't be anti-govt waste while advocating for more govt spending in areas that matter. You're-with-us-or-against-us mentality. Good stuff.

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Re: one less bike...

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:49 pm

I'm saying you seem to have a problem with how your tax money is spent and that problem isn't even very consistent. A few days ago you weren't exactly advocating for more funding for our schools but now it's convenient to change your position to support your half witted views of our bike laws.

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Re: one less bike...

Postby Crockett » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:52 pm

fisticuffs wrote:I'm saying you seem to have a problem with how your tax money is spent and that problem isn't even very consistent. A few days ago you weren't exactly advocating for more funding for our schools but now it's convenient to change your position to support your half witted views of our bike laws.


A few days ago I was advocating for less wasteful govt, smaller, more efficient govt. If we have the money for bike cops then we certainly have some room to cut elsewhere...

I disagreed with your point that public schools teachers made less than private. That has nothing to do with fewer funds for schools.

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Re: one less bike...

Postby cloudy » Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:44 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
cloudy wrote:There are times to follow the letter of the law, but losing momentum at an empty intersection to wait for cars to come and create a hazard is foolish.


I could make the same argument when driving my car. Obey the damn law.


Yes you could, but arguing a bicycle/car equivalence is idiotic. And no, I don't obey the law simply because it is the law.

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Re: one less bike...

Postby Matt Logan » Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:13 pm

roadkill bill wrote:I have to admit to audibly laughing (and almost falling over myself) when I saw a guy attempt a track stand and fall over sideways. Doofus.

It took me a while to master (to the point of being able to sit w/no hands for about 30 seconds on a slightly sloped surface with a non-fixie) the track stand. My first step was to simply practice stopping and waiting a while before taking my feet off the pedals. I did a little falling on this step, but what it teaches you is exactly where your limit is in terms of balance. And no, I didn't practice this step on streets; I practiced in my driveway and next to the bike racks at work. Then it was on to figuring out which was my chocolate foot, and then practicing stands at the start/end of my daily commute.


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