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Postby Paco » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:25 pm

Oh c'mon. 99 years isn't that long!

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Postby Fat.The.Gangster » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:30 pm

Paco wrote:Oh c'mon. 99 years isn't that long!


You are right, in the context of never, 99 years isn't that long.

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Postby buckyor » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:33 pm

funkwood wrote:The color guy (Mark Grace- yes THAT Mark Grace) stated something like (I am paraphrasing): "I could care less if my first baseman made a few errors if he had 26 bombs in the middle of June like Prince has."

Considering Grace who was also a whiz with the glove, I think that says a lot.


Yeah, but Mark Grace never won a World Series ring.



Oh yeah, he did. Just not with the Cubs.

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Postby funkwood » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:33 pm

Considering the franchise is only 35+ years old then "never" really isn't compared to 99.

I take it the Milwaukee Braves' mastery of the Cubs counts for nothing on your little scorecard.

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Postby nevermore » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:36 pm

funkwood wrote:You are crazy if you don't think Prince deserves to be the All-Star starter.

While I appreciate good defense a lot in baseball and I think D Lee is fabulous with the glove (certainly one of the best I have ever seen) he is currently a glorified singles and doubles hitter. First base is a POWER position. D Lee has not hit a home run in a month. I guarantee the Cubs would take Prince's 25+HR and 60+ RBI at this point in a heartbeat if it came at a cost of 10+ errors.

In fact I was watching an Arizona D-Back game just last week in which the first baseman committed an error and the play by play guy (Darren Sutton-old Brewers announcer) said that Prince lead the league in errors by a first baseman. The color guy (Mark Grace- yes THAT Mark Grace) stated something like (I am paraphrasing): "I could care less if my first baseman made a few errors if he had 26 bombs in the middle of June like Prince has."

Considering Grace who was also a whiz with the glove, I think that says a lot.

Wait, wait, wait - You first claim that 1B is a POWER position and then back up your case for Prince by quoting somebody who never got more than 17HR in 16 seasons playing 1B? Got it.

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Postby funkwood » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:37 pm

buckyor wrote:
funkwood wrote:The color guy (Mark Grace- yes THAT Mark Grace) stated something like (I am paraphrasing): "I could care less if my first baseman made a few errors if he had 26 bombs in the middle of June like Prince has."

Considering Grace who was also a whiz with the glove, I think that says a lot.


Yeah, but Mark Grace never won a World Series ring.



Oh yeah, he did. Just not with the Cubs.

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Yeah, it's a shame because I am sure he rather have got it done in Chicago.

He is a little unorthodox in the annoucer's booth. I think he was doing the game on Saturday for FOX.

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Postby TheBookPolice » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:39 pm

Since 1970 (when the Brewers became the Brewers):

TOTAL WINS

Chicago Cubs: 2799
Milwaukee Brewers: 2773

I'd say that's pretty equally futile over the last 37 years. So the Cubs (and I'm struggling mightily to not call them the Lou-sers, because I grew up a Cubs fan) made it to three NLCS to the Brewers' one. The Brewers have one more World Series appearace in the last 37 years than the Cubs.

They both sucked. Who's doing better right now?

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Postby Fat.The.Gangster » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:47 pm

TheBookPolice wrote:They both sucked. Who's doing better right now?


Right now, on July 2, 2007, the Brewers have the best record in the National League with two months yet to play. That is swell.

Historically speaking, the Cubs have won more games than any other franchise in baseball history with the exception of the Giants. Their all-time franchise winning percentage is surpassed in the NL by just the Giants, Dodgers, and Cardinals.

They have won two World Championships (1907-1908); 16 Pennants (1876, 1880-1882, 1885-1886, 1906-1908, 1910, 1918, 1929, 1932, 1935, 1938, 19450; three division titles (1984, 1989, 2003); and have amassed 20 Post-Season Appearances (1876, 1880-1882, 1885-1886, 1906-1908, 1910, 1918, 1929, 1932, 1935, 1938, 1945, 1984, 1989, 1998, 2003).

In baseball, history and numbers are everything.

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Postby funkwood » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:47 pm

nevermore wrote:
funkwood wrote:You are crazy if you don't think Prince deserves to be the All-Star starter.

While I appreciate good defense a lot in baseball and I think D Lee is fabulous with the glove (certainly one of the best I have ever seen) he is currently a glorified singles and doubles hitter. First base is a POWER position. D Lee has not hit a home run in a month. I guarantee the Cubs would take Prince's 25+HR and 60+ RBI at this point in a heartbeat if it came at a cost of 10+ errors.

In fact I was watching an Arizona D-Back game just last week in which the first baseman committed an error and the play by play guy (Darren Sutton-old Brewers announcer) said that Prince lead the league in errors by a first baseman. The color guy (Mark Grace- yes THAT Mark Grace) stated something like (I am paraphrasing): "I could care less if my first baseman made a few errors if he had 26 bombs in the middle of June like Prince has."

Considering Grace who was also a whiz with the glove, I think that says a lot.

Wait, wait, wait - You first claim that 1B is a POWER position and then back up your case for Prince by quoting somebody who never got more than 17HR in 16 seasons playing 1B? Got it.


I think it backs up my point even more to tell you the truth. Wouldn't it seem sillier if I cited a Cecil Fielder type (minus the relation) stating his admiration for Prince?

If I recall Grace often joked about his lack of power in his career. He was obviously the exception rather than the rule at 1B but then again he kind of played before the whole HR/roids explosion. But I think if you asked any baseball GM they would want a guy at 1B they could pencil in for 30+ HR a year.

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Postby nevermore » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:47 pm

funkwood wrote:Considering the franchise is only 35+ years old then "never" really isn't compared to 99.

I take it the Milwaukee Braves' mastery of the Cubs counts for nothing on your little scorecard.

Is this what it has come to?

Well, ah, ah, between 1953 and 1968 the team that's now in Atlanta OWNED the Cubs! Scoreboard!

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Postby nevermore » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:50 pm

Fat.The.Gangster wrote:
TheBookPolice wrote:They both sucked. Who's doing better right now?


Right now, on July 2, 2007, the Brewers have the best record in the National League with two months yet to play. That is swell.

My schedule has the regular season ending at the end of September. Just sayin'

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Postby TheBookPolice » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:50 pm

Fat.The.Gangster wrote:
TheBookPolice wrote:They both sucked. Who's doing better right now?


Right now, on July 2, 2007, the Brewers have the best record in the National League with two months yet to play. That is swell.

Historically speaking, the Cubs have won more games than any other franchise in baseball history with the exception of the Giants. Their all-time franchise winning percentage is surpassed in the NL by just the Giants, Dodgers, and Cardinals.

They have won two World Championships (1907-1908); 16 Pennants (1876, 1880-1882, 1885-1886, 1906-1908, 1910, 1918, 1929, 1932, 1935, 1938, 19450; three division titles (1984, 1989, 2003); and have amassed 20 Post-Season Appearances (1876, 1880-1882, 1885-1886, 1906-1908, 1910, 1918, 1929, 1932, 1935, 1938, 1945, 1984, 1989, 1998, 2003).

In baseball, history and numbers are everything.


That's great! Where does that seed the Cubs in this year's playoffs?

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Postby funkwood » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:50 pm

nevermore wrote:
funkwood wrote:Considering the franchise is only 35+ years old then "never" really isn't compared to 99.

I take it the Milwaukee Braves' mastery of the Cubs counts for nothing on your little scorecard.

Is this what it has come to?

Well, ah, ah, between 1953 and 1968 the team that's now in Atlanta OWNED the Cubs! Scoreboard!


It's just as idiotic as someone rolling out turn of the century Cubs pennant winning teams.

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Postby Fat.The.Gangster » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:52 pm

TheBookPolice wrote:That's great! Where does that seed the Cubs in this year's playoffs?


Well, based on history, probably ahead of the Braves/Pilots/Brewers. Again.

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Postby funkwood » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:53 pm

Fat.The.Gangster wrote:
TheBookPolice wrote:That's great! Where does that seed the Cubs in this year's playoffs?


Well, based on history, probably ahead of the Braves/Pilots/Brewers. Again.


That's great. I am sure you have fond memories of those Tinkers to Evers to Chance teams. The rest of us weren't alive back then!


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