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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby jonnygothispen » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:44 am

A "flashback?"

http://www.ktvn.com/story/20153313/tria ... r-shooting

A trial for the man who accidentally shot himself in a movie theater in Sparks got underway Tuesday inside municipal court.

Fernando Eaglehart is charged with discharging a firearm in public. He told investigators his gun fell out of his pocket, and went off hitting him in the buttocks.

He did have a valid concealed carry permit at the time

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby Gentle Man » Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:11 pm

jonnygothispen wrote:A "flashback?"

http://www.ktvn.com/story/20153313/tria ... r-shooting

A trial for the man who accidentally shot himself in a movie theater in Sparks got underway Tuesday inside municipal court.

Fernando Eaglehart is charged with discharging a firearm in public. He told investigators his gun fell out of his pocket, and went off hitting him in the buttocks.

He did have a valid concealed carry permit at the time


Picking on minoritites again jonny?

Is there a point to this, or anything you post?

How about adding some of the rest of the story to put things in perspective. Fernando Santana Eaglehart wasn't just a guy who wanted to carry a gun. He's a an armed security guard at a casino. He's a Navy vet... you know, like Henry Vilas. Unknown to Eaglehart, the gun he was carrying, a Walther PPK, had been recalled because of a defect that allowed the gun to do something it wasn't designed or supposed to do, an annoying thing called "firing without the trigger being pulled."

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/ ... 7978_image

So yeah, if there's a recall on your car's brakes that you don't know about, it's only fair that you get prosecuted for running into a tree and hurting yourself. Right?

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby jonnygothispen » Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:30 pm

Gentle Man wrote:
jonnygothispen wrote:A "flashback?"

http://www.ktvn.com/story/20153313/tria ... r-shooting

A trial for the man who accidentally shot himself in a movie theater in Sparks got underway Tuesday inside municipal court.

Fernando Eaglehart is charged with discharging a firearm in public. He told investigators his gun fell out of his pocket, and went off hitting him in the buttocks.

He did have a valid concealed carry permit at the time


Picking on minoritites again jonny?

Is there a point to this, or anything you post?

How about adding some of the rest of the story to put things in perspective. Fernando Santana Eaglehart wasn't just a guy who wanted to carry a gun. He's a an armed security guard at a casino. He's a Navy vet... you know, like Henry Vilas. Unknown to Eaglehart, the gun he was carrying, a Walther PPK, had been recalled because of a defect that allowed the gun to do something it wasn't designed or supposed to do, an annoying thing called "firing without the trigger being pulled."

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/ ... 7978_image

So yeah, if there's a recall on your car's brakes that you don't know about, it's only fair that you get prosecuted for running into a tree and hurting yourself. Right?
I get it now!!! You're sticking up for the 2nd amendment!!! Cheers, bro!!!

What you're saying is that the gun industry should be "well regulated" just like the laws allowing people to have guns as described in the 2nd amendment!! AWESOME DUDE!!!

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby Gentle Man » Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:47 pm

The gun industry is both well-regulated and heavily-regulated. Do you have a reason to think otherwise? If you haven't noticed, there is a sizeable bureaucratic federal government law enforcement agency that is devoted largely to administer the heavily-regulated part.

But only someone like you could derive so much fictional interpretation out of a comment I made that is not in the slightest way related to your hallucinations. Take your meds. That would be awesome dude.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby jonnygothispen » Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:02 pm

Odd that you didn't notice I was just playing off of your fictional account of who I am, genitalman

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby Gentle Man » Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:56 pm

jonnygothispen wrote:Odd that you didn't notice I was just playing off of your fictional account of who I am, genitalman


Oh, I noticed long ago that you are incapable of anything outside of your lonely little fictional world. At least you'll always have yourself to laugh at your jokes. Right? But, who else would you have-- when you're a walking case of pathological solipsism?

Sorry, I know the 'big words' trouble you. I do try to keep that in mind. Really.

In the 70's and 80's you would have been one of those people standing outside The Towers mumbling to himself. Wait, wait, don't tell me. I don't want to know where you do it now. Surprise me.

There's Madison: 77 miles surrounded by reality. And then there's jonny, surrounded by Madison. Ohhh, the isolation. Sad. And at the same time, hilarious.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby jonnygothispen » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:38 am

I'm sorry I displeased you, master Genitaliaman.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby kurt_w » Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:01 pm

Approximately 430,000 American civilians have died from gunshot wounds since January 1, 2000 -- inflicted by themselves, their friends, their enemies, or strangers; on purpose or by accident.

This is greater than the number of US soldiers killed in the War on Terror, or Korea, or Vietnam, or World War 1, or even World War 2.

It's greater than the number of Union or Confederate soldiers killed during the Civil War (though not yet greater than the combined total -- it will be a few more years before that milestone is reached).

If you've ever seen the Vietnam War memorial on the Mall in Washington DC, imagine eight more of them. That's how many Americans have died from guns since 2000. Now imagine another one of those giant black V-shaped birds of icy stone being added to the Mall every two years.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby snoqueen » Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:20 pm

And still they claim other countries don't think we're crazy?

A major industrialized country putting up with this massive public health issue, licensing and regulation failure, product safety void, and giant private-industry lobbying effort is what's crazy.

It's time to ramp this down, not crank it up even more.

PS: jgp, when you're on a roll you are one of the funniest writers on this board.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby Gentle Man » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:00 pm

snoqueen wrote:And still they claim other countries don't think we're crazy?

A major industrialized country putting up with this massive public health issue, licensing and regulation failure, product safety void, and giant private-industry lobbying effort is what's crazy.

It's time to ramp this down, not crank it up even more.

PS: jgp, when you're on a roll you are one of the funniest writers on this board.


Yeah Kurt's statistics are food for thought. So are these:

60% of gun deaths in the United States are suicide.

Japan has a population that is 40% of that of the USA. Guns in private hands are almost nonexistent in Japan. Yet for a period of 15-years straight it there were over 30,000 suicides per year, until 2012 when it "dipped" down to a little below 28,000 suicides. It amounts to more than 450,000 deaths in a 15-year period, probably very few involving guns. I doubt the families of those 450,000 dead Japanese are comforted much by the thought that their loved ones dies by means other than gunshot wound.

Yeah, suicides without guns account for more deaths in Japan-- a country with well under half the US population-- than all gun deaths due to any reason in the USA.

One may wonder if there is a much larger national tragedy in the land of the rising sun?

There are two gun cultures in the United States: The traditional responsible gun owners, and the drug and gang gun culture that promotes irresponsible and illegal use of guns. Which one do you think accounts for more homicides in a given year? Which one is continually raked over the coals on the Daily Page?

Let's look at another country that has a drug and gang gun culture: Mexico. Mexico has some of the strictest gun control laws anywhere. A lot of good it has done. The "Mexican drug war" has resulted in an estimated 120,000 deaths since 2006, plus 27,000 people who are listed as "missing."

So maybe you'll want to get real for once and direct your outrage at the part of the gun culture that is the real problem in this country.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby kurt_w » Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:58 pm

Mexico's dreadful violent crime numbers are obviously not a reasonable analogue for the US. You would have a better case if you'd steer clear of that kind of silly comparison.

As for suicide -- I'm sure that if we somehow managed to greatly reduce the rate of gun suicides, some of those would find other ways to kill themselves anyway ... But many others would not. There is quite a lot of evidence now that suicidal impulses are often very brief and removing access to common implements of suicide can significantly reduce its rate.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby kurt_w » Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:05 pm

I'd also agree that the suicide rate in Japan is a national tragedy. But I don't think that makes the ridiculously large number of gun deaths in the US any less awful. Japan ought to be more aggressively working to reduce its suicide rate, and the US ought to be working aggressively to reduce its rate of gun fatalities.

And yes, that includes homicide, suicide, and accidents.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby snoqueen » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:51 pm

There are two gun cultures in the United States: The traditional responsible gun owners, and the drug and gang gun culture that promotes irresponsible and illegal use of guns.


You forgot a third: the one the NRA has whipped up in the last couple decades, which is sui generis and is at least as large as either of the other two you mentioned. It's got nothing to do with the deer, duck, and pheasant hunters we in Wisconsin grew up with. As a group, those hunters have common ground (and mutual respect) with conservationists and environmentalists. They are a strong force for generational continuity, and for family-oriented seasonal hunting for food purposes (good, clean, sustainable, regional food).

The big self-defense second-amendment anti-government aspect is a relatively recent add-on and not necessarily a comfortable one for all. I for one wish they'd tone it down because I think it has damaged the generational- and communal-continuity aspect of hunting. Many times younger people doesn't feel at home with the politicized version of gun ownership because their whole generation has different politics. They drop out and the whole culture begins to die off. You've got to be aware of the concern of the DNR itself with recruiting new young hunters, which is indicative of the depth of this problem.

Those who won't admit this are regarded with more than a little suspicion among those who remember the before and after.

What the NRA has created has alienated quite a few traditional hunters. It's a totally different creature.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby jman111 » Thu May 01, 2014 1:22 pm

"If they're going to possess the means to apply lethal force," he said, "they need to have a good understanding of when and how that is permissible."

Well, there's a novel idea.
Problem is, some of our laws appear to expand the opportunities for vengeful vigilantes.

'Stand your ground' law tested in recent shootings

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby jman111 » Thu May 01, 2014 2:37 pm

Oh, this should help.
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