Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

If it's news, but not politics, then it goes here.
Henry Vilas
Forum God/Goddess
Posts: 21648
Joined: Wed Sep 04, 2002 8:57 pm
Location: Name sez it all
Contact:

Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:14 am

Madison station won't show ad of Ryan 'killing' old woman

Occasionally a TV or radio program sparks so much controversy that its advertisers flee (see: Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Don Imus). It is very rare, however, for a TV or radio station to decline an advertiser. After all, advertising is the way they make money.

This week, however, WMTV/Channel 15, an NBC affiliate in Madison, did just that. Station manager Bob Smith refused to air an ad from a liberal group, the Agenda Project, which depicts a Paul Ryan impersonator pushing an elderly woman off of a cliff.

“Remember what Paul Ryan did to granny?” asks the narrator, before a man pushes a struggling woman in a wheelchair into a ravine, presumably to her death, while “America the Beautiful” plays in the background.

“Is America beautiful without Medicare?” the ad asks at the end.

According to the Agenda Project, Smith only said the ad was declined “due to content.”

Smith, however, was unavailable for comment on Friday, and another company executive indicated the station would not be commenting further on the decision.
...
Payne says the TV spot has not been rejected by any other of the multiple stations the ad was proposed to in six swing states. In her long political career, she said, she cannot recall a station refusing to run an ad. She added that the group planned to run the ad on another Madison station.

Last year, Hilton Howell, the CEO of Gray Television, which owns WMTV and a number of other TV stations across the country, described political advertising as key to the company’s success.

I have noticed that WMTV 's coverage of political news often swings to the right (while WISC's goes to the left.)

Huckleby
Forum God/Goddess
Posts: 8719
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:12 pm
Location: parents' basement

Re: Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

Postby Huckleby » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:22 am

Does this action violate their FCC License?

Probably not, but acting as political censors for paid advertising crosses the line in my mind. They are supposed to serve public interest, not crush free speech. They certainly have a right to espouse their own editorial position. BTW, what was that Supreme Court ruling about money being speech?

ps. The liberal group that attempted to air this ad would be well advised to make a legal challenge. It would generate national attention for the ad a thousand times more powerful than airing it.

Henry Vilas
Forum God/Goddess
Posts: 21648
Joined: Wed Sep 04, 2002 8:57 pm
Location: Name sez it all
Contact:

Re: Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:36 am

Huckleby wrote:Does this action violate their FCC License?

From my link:
Whereas stations are required by federal law to air any ad submitted by a candidate, they are allowed to decline ads from third party groups like the Agenda Project.

pjbogart
Forum God/Goddess
Posts: 6660
Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2003 4:57 pm

Re: Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

Postby pjbogart » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:49 am

Sounds to me like they're doing the Obama campaign a favor by refusing to air the ad. You do realize that whatever disagreements you have with people like Paul Ryan, he isn't trying to kill senior citizens. Remember, we're at the point in the campaign where reaching out to moderates is the name of the game. Suggesting that your opponent is a cold-blooded homicidal maniac isn't going to garner many votes.

jjoyce
Forum God/Goddess
Posts: 12168
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2001 4:48 pm
Location: Madison, WI
Contact:

Re: Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

Postby jjoyce » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:56 am

Some people are so far up their own rear ends that they can't see what's actually going on in the world. That includes a significant chunk of Wisconsin over the last couple years.

Huckleby
Forum God/Goddess
Posts: 8719
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:12 pm
Location: parents' basement

Re: Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

Postby Huckleby » Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:01 am

pjbogart wrote: You do realize that whatever disagreements you have with people like Paul Ryan, he isn't trying to kill senior citizens.


I'm moving to the left of the left on this one.

Paul Ryan in particular, Republicans in general are cold-blooded murderers.

Republicans want to kill Obamacare with no credible replacement, canceling health care access to 30 million people. Ryan ups the ante be capping Medicaid, which some estimates say will add 15 million uninsured people within coming decade.

Numbers are hard to estimate, but certainly tens of thousands of people are going to die as a result of having poor access to doctors. That's not a scare tactic. BTW, many elderly people depend on medicaid on top of medicare to afford access to health care and nursing homes.

If anything, the left is being cowardly in not calling Republicans murderers. I a guess the dirty little secret is that suburban America cares about granny dying, but poor people dying, not so much.

Huckleby
Forum God/Goddess
Posts: 8719
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:12 pm
Location: parents' basement

Re: Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

Postby Huckleby » Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:07 am

ps. Paul Ryan throwing granny off a cliff is a net plus in the propoganda war. Let the Republicans chide democrats for dirty politics! The more we hear the names Ryan-medicare-cliff repeated in the same sentence the better.

People are not rational creatures. Altho the psycho Ryan ad is not fair or nice, in a larger sense, it is based in reality.

My only objection to that ad is they should have used a wood chipper.

gargantua
Forum God/Goddess
Posts: 5087
Joined: Sat Apr 13, 2002 1:30 pm
Location: Madison

Re: Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

Postby gargantua » Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:21 am

It will be interesting to watch and see if WMTV refuses any ads from a right wing source "due to content".

Henry Vilas
Forum God/Goddess
Posts: 21648
Joined: Wed Sep 04, 2002 8:57 pm
Location: Name sez it all
Contact:

Re: Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:49 am

Lack Of Health Insurance Killed More Than 26,000 In 2010

It will only get worse if Ryan's plan to dismantle Medicare is enacted.

snoqueen
Forum God/Goddess
Posts: 12960
Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:42 pm

Re: Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

Postby snoqueen » Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:58 pm

Some people are so far up their own rear ends that they can't see what's actually going on in the world. That includes a significant chunk of Wisconsin over the last couple years.


Which of these do you mean? Or something else? I'm asking seriously, not being nasty:

1) Our healthcare system is being so seriously threatened and compromised we're risking people's lives, but too few people are paying attention or trying to remedy the situation.

2) Our healthcare system is pretty good and to suggest people (older people in particular) are being put at risk is a gross exaggeration, or remedying their situation of risk should not be the business of public policy at all.

3) The ad is saying something controversial, and using such over-the-top imagery does more harm than good to the political dialogue in general, regardless of any position it takes on health care.

I guess you thought your post was so obvious you didn't have to elaborate, but I sincerely was left wondering what you meant.

bdog
Forum God/Goddess
Posts: 3428
Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:26 am

Re: Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

Postby bdog » Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:25 pm

4) He's talking about the roundabouts

pjbogart
Forum God/Goddess
Posts: 6660
Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2003 4:57 pm

Re: Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

Postby pjbogart » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:11 pm

Huckleby wrote:Paul Ryan in particular, Republicans in general are cold-blooded murderers.


There's a huge gulf between "your policies will cause people to lose health insurance and possibly die" and "you're a cold blooded murderer."

Libertarians aren't murderers simply for suggesting that they have no obligation to subsidize another person's health care costs. Cold hearted, morally bankrupt assholes... yeah. But they aren't murdering anyone. They didn't take your insurance away from you, they simply said they're not willing to pay for it.

Huckleby
Forum God/Goddess
Posts: 8719
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:12 pm
Location: parents' basement

Re: Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

Postby Huckleby » Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:32 pm

pjbogart wrote: There's a huge gulf between "your policies will cause people to lose health insurance and possibly die" and "you're a cold blooded murderer."

Nope, not a huge gulf at all. Not possibly die, tens of thousands will certainly die as result of denying health care access.
Oh, they are faceless poor people who tend to have shorter life spans already. There is no easily seen cause and effect, like the pulling of a trigger. No accountability. But as a thinking person, you can not just sweep the cause and effect under the carpet.

Allowing tens of thousands of people to die to (ostensibly) save money is cold blooded murder.

pjbogart wrote: Libertarians aren't murderers simply for suggesting that they have no obligation to subsidize another person's health care costs. Cold hearted, morally bankrupt assholes... yeah. But they aren't murdering anyone.

I disagree. There are libertarians with a theoretical alternate plan, the spreading of access through market competition. And if they could make that work, I'm fine with it. But at the moment, that is an unrealizable theory. (BTW, there was an alternative plan to Obamacare with much smaller government footprint, free market plus subsidies to poor, but it drew little support.)
Until libertarians have a politically workable plan in place, our safety net is medicaid. Removing that lifeline without an alternative plan is cruel and immoral. It's murder.

bdog
Forum God/Goddess
Posts: 3428
Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:26 am

Re: Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

Postby bdog » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:40 am

In that case we're all cold blooded murderers. Do you know you can save the life of a starving child in Africa for pennies a day?

Then why aren't you sending every last dime you can afford to?

Is it because they are the faceless poor people who tend to have shorter life spans anyway?

Tell us Huckleby, why are YOU a cold blooded murderer?

Huckleby
Forum God/Goddess
Posts: 8719
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:12 pm
Location: parents' basement

Re: Anti-Ryan ad refused by WMTV

Postby Huckleby » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:14 am

bdog wrote:In that case we're all cold blooded murderers. Do you know you can save the life of a starving child in Africa for pennies a day?

We are into practical questions now. It is not possible to save the life of every person in the world. It is quite managable, easy in fact, for the richest nation in the world to provide health care access to all its citizens, thereby saving tens of thousands of lives every year.

bdog wrote:Then why aren't you sending every last dime you can afford to?
Again, in the real world, nobody is completely altruistic. You've presented the false choice of complete selfishness as the only alternative to complete altruism.

You've made the classic, morally bankrupt rationalization for cold indifference. The argument being that since it is not possible to prevent suffering everywhere, we need not address suffering anywhere. Ayn Rand and her libertarian disciples who advocate for such amorality are killing people.


Return to “Headlines”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests