Shooting outside church key/segredo

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Re: Shooting outside church key/segredo

Postby Remember_Me » Fri May 25, 2012 3:12 pm

They need to re-institute the requirement of a valid DL in order to frequent a downtown watering hole.

If that's "racist", so be it.

I'd rather be racist and safe then politically correct and shot.

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Re: Shooting outside church key/segredo

Postby Stebben84 » Fri May 25, 2012 3:22 pm

Remember_Me wrote:They need to re-institute the requirement of a valid DL in order to frequent a downtown watering hole.

If that's "racist", so be it.

I'd rather be racist and safe then politically correct and shot.


I know a handful of people who never got a DL. They never wanted one. They like to go to bars. What should they do?

How the hell is a DL gonna change anything. Did these two shooters not have them?

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Re: Shooting outside church key/segredo

Postby Remember_Me » Fri May 25, 2012 3:27 pm

Stebben84 wrote:What should they do?


Get one.

Stebben84 wrote:How the hell is a DL gonna change anything.


Is that a question?

According to the places that had the policy it quelled their violence issues overnight.

Stebben84 wrote:Did these two shooters not have them?


I don't know.

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Re: Shooting outside church key/segredo

Postby jman111 » Fri May 25, 2012 3:47 pm

Remember_Me wrote:They need to re-institute the requirement of a valid DL in order to frequent a downtown watering hole.

If that's "racist", so be it.

I'd rather be racist and safe then politically correct and shot.

And, since this event happened outside several downtown watering holes, would you propose requiring a DL to stand on a downtown sidewalk?

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Re: Shooting outside church key/segredo

Postby Remember_Me » Fri May 25, 2012 4:27 pm

jman111 wrote:And, since this event happened outside several downtown watering holes, would you propose requiring a DL to stand on a downtown sidewalk?


Well, either that or holding a placard announcing you're an armed criminal with an agenda for the evening.

Either or.

The DL isn't the solution.

It's just another tool.

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Re: Shooting outside church key/segredo

Postby jman111 » Fri May 25, 2012 4:34 pm

Remember_Me wrote:The DL isn't the solution.

It's just another tool.

Remember_Me wrote:If that's "racist", so be it.

Ok, racism isn't the solution.
It's just a tool.

How original...and disturbing.

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Re: Shooting outside church key/segredo

Postby Remember_Me » Fri May 25, 2012 6:55 pm

jman111 wrote:
Remember_Me wrote:The DL isn't the solution.

It's just another tool.

Remember_Me wrote:If that's "racist", so be it.

Ok, racism isn't the solution.
It's just a tool.

How original...and disturbing.


Yup. If it's now considered racist to require a DL to enter an establishment then I guess I'm a racist because I agree with the policy.

A badge I'm willing to wear I guess.

Funny how no one is whining about the white t-shirt policy that's been in effect in many places downtown for a while now.

They don't let anyone in wearing those. And those are pretty much the "thug uniform" shirts.

Why is it okay to ban the plain white tees but it's racist to require a valid DL?

Some places even do ball caps, doo rags, certain sports team apparel, etc.

Surely those policies are in place to keep out the "thug element".

What tools do these lawful business owners have to keep out the thug hooligans that won't be deemed "racist"?

Why do they have to lose their livelihood out of fake outrage PC-ness gone wild?

How else are they supposed to discriminate against the thugs that are causing the worst of the problems in their businesses?

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Re: Shooting outside church key/segredo

Postby snoqueen » Fri May 25, 2012 7:08 pm

Not wanting to be on the receiving end of an expensive, endless federal-court discrimination lawsuit brought by someone they turned away might be part of it.

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Re: Shooting outside church key/segredo

Postby Remember_Me » Fri May 25, 2012 7:11 pm

snoqueen wrote:Not wanting to be on the receiving end of an expensive, endless federal-court discrimination lawsuit brought by someone they turned away might be part of it.


Based on....?

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Re: Shooting outside church key/segredo

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri May 25, 2012 7:49 pm

Remember_Me wrote:
snoqueen wrote:Not wanting to be on the receiving end of an expensive, endless federal-court discrimination lawsuit brought by someone they turned away might be part of it.

Based on....?

Based on federal access to public accommodations laws. I thought we went over that before. Race is explicitly mentioned and the fact that laws requiring the posseesion of DLs have shown to discriminate against certain groups who tend not to possess them (remember, holding a DL is only a privilege, not a rights). Is that constitutional fact so hard to understand?

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Re: Shooting outside church key/segredo

Postby Remember_Me » Fri May 25, 2012 8:31 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
Remember_Me wrote:
snoqueen wrote:Not wanting to be on the receiving end of an expensive, endless federal-court discrimination lawsuit brought by someone they turned away might be part of it.

Based on....?

Based on federal access to public accommodations laws. I thought we went over that before. Race is explicitly mentioned and the fact that laws requiring the posseesion of DLs have shown to discriminate against certain groups who tend not to possess them (remember, holding a DL is only a privilege, not a rights). Is that constitutional fact so hard to understand?


Thin. Very thin.

And plain white tees?

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Re: Shooting outside church key/segredo

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri May 25, 2012 8:39 pm

Dress codes apply to all, thus are not discriminatory. Possession of a DL is another matter. Not everyone qualifies for the privilege to drive on public roadways.

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Re: Shooting outside church key/segredo

Postby peripat » Sat May 26, 2012 1:39 pm

For example- people who are blind, suffer from seizure disorders, are physically unable to operate even an adapted vehicle and so on. Federal laws really ought to prevent you from discriminating against the handicapped by denying them access to bars since they cannot hold a drivers license. (I suppose the racist belief is that is a small price to pay for keeping black people out, right?)

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Re: Shooting outside church key/segredo

Postby Detritus » Sat May 26, 2012 7:33 pm

I would just like to point out, for possibly the eleventy-first time, that the shooting occurred OUTSIDE the bar, as all the past violence has. Checking IDs at the door is irrelevant to this particular problem.

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Re: Shooting outside church key/segredo

Postby bdog » Sat May 26, 2012 9:06 pm

Detritus wrote:I would just like to point out, for possibly the eleventy-first time, that the shooting occurred OUTSIDE the bar, as all the past violence has. Checking IDs at the door is irrelevant to this particular problem.

Not necessarily. If the thug crowd was OUTSIDE the bar because they were INSIDE prior, then it's not irrelevant.
Just sayin.


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