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Re: The gun thread

Postby Dangerousman » Wed May 15, 2013 11:54 pm

You're both right partially. It is an accepted military principle that wounding your enemy forces them to devote more resources to the care of their wounded.

The M-16 was adopted in large part because it was felt that the shorter and lighter design was more suitable for warfare in Vietnam than the M-14 battle rifle, which was geared for a European war against the Warsaw Pact. The M-16 was not universally praised or well-received by troops in the field initially. It's 5.56mm ammo, particularly full metal jacket, still has plenty of critics and some advocate replacing it with 6.8mm Remington, a more powerful round that has some limited military use already. The grunt on the front line isn't so much concerned about tying up enemy resources with wounded personnel as they are with putting the enemy down and out as quickly as possible.

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Re: The gun thread

Postby Dangerousman » Wed May 15, 2013 11:58 pm

New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg has not made a peep about gun control since news came out that firearms-related deaths were way down. President Obama has ignored it and continued to pursue more gun-control laws.


The Justice Department released a study Tuesday that showed firearm-related homicides in the U.S. annually declined 39 percent from 18,253 in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011. Nonfatal firearm crimes declined 69 percent from 1.5 million to 467,300 in that time frame.


On the same day that Justice released its report, Pew Research Center released a new poll that found that 56 percent of Americans believe gun crimes is higher now than 20 years ago and 26 percent thought it was the same. Only 12 percent knew that it was lower.


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Re: The gun thread

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Mon May 20, 2013 2:55 pm

Liberator gun made with consumer 3D printer, plastic pistol fires nine shots successfully

It's a modified version of the Liberator, with a rifiled barrel and metal screws instead of printed plastic pins.

The interesting difference compared to the orginal Liberator is that this one while still printed in ABS plastic, was done with a consumer grade machine. (granted a consumer grade machine that costs $1700)

9 shots isn't anything amazing, but while the gun did missfire, it did not explode.

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Re: The gun thread

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Tue May 28, 2013 5:16 pm

More on the guns and technology front

Phone app that allows you to engage your gun's safety remotly, and informs you if it's been moved even a little. However the technology isn't something that can be added in to a gun, it has to be part of the design. The weapon itself includes a processor and simm card.

"There is a lot of interesting technology out there. The problem is the manufacturers haven't incorporated any of it," Horwitz told ABC News. "If you have remote access, you have to be able to engage or disengage -- that technology is not remarkable. What is remarkable is that it is widespread and no one is using it. Any type of thing where you can keep your gun locked is good, but it's not good that this isn't an option out there now."


Maybe it's time to ignore gun sales and focus on requiring gun safety features. Of course one of the possible reasons gun makers aren't jumping on this is the NRA.
Horwitz and Fineman believe that the NRA has stood in the way of these smart guns making their way to market. The NRA did not respond to ABC News' request for comment.

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Re: The gun thread

Postby snoqueen » Tue May 28, 2013 10:22 pm

If they were serious about safety, gun manufacturers would at least test market some of these advanced safety technologies to see how buyers react. The fact they don't shows their agenda is not safety but ideology.

Their defense is the tired old "guns don't kill people, people kill people" thing. But what happened to choice? Once upon a time that was another big American value.

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Re: The gun thread

Postby Ned Flanders » Wed May 29, 2013 8:51 am

snoqueen wrote:If they were serious about safety, gun manufacturers would at least test market some of these advanced safety technologies to see how buyers react. The fact they don't shows their agenda is not safety but ideology.

Their defense is the tired old "guns don't kill people, people kill people" thing. But what happened to choice? Once upon a time that was another big American value.

If the market wanted "additional safety features" manufacturers would be selling them. Weapons in a trained hand are extremely safe.

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Re: The gun thread

Postby wack wack » Wed May 29, 2013 8:53 am

Ned Flanders wrote:Weapons in a trained hand are extremely safe.


So is marijuana. Why is it illegal?

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Re: The gun thread

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Wed May 29, 2013 9:51 am

Ned Flanders wrote:
snoqueen wrote:If they were serious about safety, gun manufacturers would at least test market some of these advanced safety technologies to see how buyers react. The fact they don't shows their agenda is not safety but ideology.

Their defense is the tired old "guns don't kill people, people kill people" thing. But what happened to choice? Once upon a time that was another big American value.

If the market wanted "additional safety features" manufacturers would be selling them. Weapons in a trained hand are extremely safe.


And we have such amazing laws in place to make sure guns stay in trained hands don't we.

Not all inovation needs to be driven by market demand (though I'm guessing no one has bothered to do the market research in the first place). Seat belts were not something the market demanded, but the government mandated that requirment to protect the common good. It seems to me the common good would be served by forcing gun manufactures to use smart gun technology as well. After all it's not just gun owners who are suffering when somehow firearms fall into untrained hands.

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Re: The gun thread

Postby DCB » Wed May 29, 2013 11:43 am

Francis Di Domizio wrote: After all it's not just gun owners who are suffering when somehow firearms fall into untrained hands.

True enough.
Police say a 70-year-old Sea Island woman was shot in her stomach Sunday morning and is hospitalized in stable condition. Authorities say 65-year-old Edward Johnson called emergency dispatchers saying he was shooting at squirrels and accidentally wounded someone.


But sometimes it is just the gun owner:
The evidence indicates the victim accidentally shot himself in the leg with a gun in his pocket, Davis said. The victim had told police he was walking to his car on the 200 block of Gardenia Way shortly before 1 p.m. when he heard gunfire and realized he had been hit, Detective Sgt. Angel Sanchez said on Friday.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/2 ... unFAIL-XIX

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Re: The gun thread

Postby fennel » Wed May 29, 2013 2:06 pm

Gun Deaths Exceed Motor Vehicle Deaths in 12 States and D.C. in 2010

Is it because the gummint came after the cars?

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Re: The gun thread

Postby snoqueen » Wed May 29, 2013 4:43 pm

This is a good trend because it's much more expensive to clean up large car wrecks.

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Re: The gun thread

Postby Dangerousman » Thu May 30, 2013 2:28 am

snoqueen wrote:If they were serious about safety, gun manufacturers would at least test market some of these advanced safety technologies to see how buyers react. The fact they don't shows their agenda is not safety but ideology.

Their defense is the tired old "guns don't kill people, people kill people" thing. But what happened to choice? Once upon a time that was another big American value.


There is a choice. You can get a gun with smart gun technology if you wish, or you can retrofit a gun with it. Good luck if you're foolish enough to do so.

Who is pushing for smart gun technology to be mandated? The patent holders and producers of it, that's who. They stand to make a shitload of money from it by forcing everyone to use their technology-- technology that very few people would voluntarily have on their firearms. Why do few people want it? Because, contrary to how it is portrayed as a life-saving device, this technology will cause more innocent people to be killed than it will save.

Putting seat belts in a vehicle does not affect the performance of the vehicle. The vehicle stops, accelerates, turns, turns on and turns off just the same as it did without seat belts installed. Smart gun technology affects the performance of the gun, making it slower and less reliable even in the hands of the "authorized user." The most important quality of a gun used for protection is its reliability. I don't want a smart gun, I want an gun as dumb as a rock, and as reliable. Smart gun technology is nothing but a con game, that the promoters of have convinced the more sincere anti-gun people that it will save lives. And the rest of the anti-gun people just like it because it's one more thing that can be used to fuck with gun manufacturers and pro-gun people, and they don't really care that it will get innocent people killed and have a microscopic positive effect, if any.

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Re: The gun thread

Postby wack wack » Thu May 30, 2013 11:08 am

What terrorism looks like...

Third Letter Sent to President Obama, Similar to NY Mayor Ricin Letters: Sources

Apparently courtesy of our own anti- anti-gun Americans.

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Re: The gun thread

Postby penquin » Thu May 30, 2013 11:10 am

wack wack wrote:Apparently courtesy of our own anti- anti-gun Americans.


You sound like Hannity talking about Muslims.

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Re: The gun thread

Postby wack wack » Thu May 30, 2013 11:24 am

penquin wrote:
wack wack wrote:Apparently courtesy of our own anti- anti-gun Americans.


You sound like Hannity talking about Muslims.


Please explain. I don't watch Hannity.


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