woman tasered at badger football game...

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woman tasered at badger football game...

Postby dstol62 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:29 am

So, apparently you don't have to be drunk, college age, or a minority to increase your chances of getting tased at a badger football game. Read on:

http://www.madison.com/tct/news/police/309236

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Postby Right Bower » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:48 am

Apparently, no. Just kick some cops.

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Postby saltman » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:07 pm

After Margaret Hiebing was escorted out of the seating section, she really got upset, police said.

"When we were trying to place handcuffs on her, she started kicking and screaming," Whitney said. "That's when one of the officers discharged a Taser weapon on her."


Why is it necessary to handcuff someone who is being ejected from the facility? I'd be pissed off too.
Show me the door, fine but what's with the cuffs?

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Postby jjoyce » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:22 pm

I think this is the definition of overdoing it on the force.

But what's up in Section U? Where I sit (D), people generally file in, sit down and watch the game. It's a pain getting in and out, so most people save it for quarters or halftime. I'm not sure I've ever seen a cop walk up the stairs, and I sit on the aisle.

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Postby Walter » Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:53 pm

saltman wrote:Why is it necessary to handcuff someone who is being ejected from the facility? I'd be pissed off too.
Show me the door, fine but what's with the cuffs?


If she's getting ejected, then she was asked to leave and refused, followed by being ordered to leave, which she refused to do.

If you tell police "no" when ordered, you will be handcuffed as you have demonstrated the potential exists you will resist the next step in getting compliance.

This next step is making you do what you could have done on your own in the first place. As I wasn't there, I can't say exactly what happened but my educated guess would be when officers went to escort her, she jerked her arms away and yelled "Don't touch me!" or something to that effect.

Do that and it's on now, ma'am, and we don't care about your name, address, or who you or your husband is. It's called resisting a peace officer.

Add kicking to her decision making disorder, and she's lucky all she got was a drive stun. Active countermeasures (OC spray, punches, kicks, impact weapons) are justified to be used. I would hazard a guess that they weren't due to environmental factors like overspray on the crowd and that this was occurring on steeply sloping concrete stairs.

Anticipating the 5 officer to 1 54 year old woman arrestee ratio outrage, we use numbers to our advantage in order to prevent having to physically fight with people and avoiding injuries to them and officers. Also keep in mind the potential that persons nearby may need to be kept back, especially if they are drunk and prone to poor decision making themselves.

Likely, that's what's with the cuffs and what happened afterward. Being a sober 54 year old with a misplaced sense of conduct does not mean you get to make the rules and do whatever you want. It's Camp Randall, not Fantasyland.

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Postby fisticuffs » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:00 pm

They should have tasered some of the Badgers players instead. Might have woke them up and made them noticed the giant ass being lowered on their heads.

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Postby jjoyce » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:14 pm

I just think the taser is called upon way too quickly these days. Back when I was in school, cops might take your thumb and bend it to your wrist to get you moving... and it generally worked pretty well.

I mean, couldn't they have just given her the Spock?

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Postby dstol62 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:23 pm

jjoyce wrote:I just think the taser is called upon way too quickly these days. Back when I was in school, cops might take your thumb and bend it to your wrist to get you moving... and it generally worked pretty well.

I mean, couldn't they have just given her the Spock?



It wouldn't be the same without the musical motif which always accompanied the pinch (duh-duuh)...

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Postby Right Bower » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:39 pm

dstol62 wrote:
jjoyce wrote:I just think the taser is called upon way too quickly these days. Back when I was in school, cops might take your thumb and bend it to your wrist to get you moving... and it generally worked pretty well.

I mean, couldn't they have just given her the Spock?



It wouldn't be the same without the musical motif which always accompanied the pinch (duh-duuh)...


I'm sure the band could add it to their lame repertoire.

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Postby westside liberal » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:58 pm

SHOCKING that this could happen to the Hiebing "BRAND". :lol:

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Postby nevermore » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:05 pm

Walter wrote:It's Camp Randall, not Fantasyland.

I think we have a new football team slogan.

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Postby Dulouz » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:17 pm

What killed Don Morton wasn't just the Verve offense and not being ready for the Big Ten, it was the overzealous security in the Stadium.

The big story was an 80 year woman having her hot chocolate dumped out because the security drone "smelled vodka."

Going to see a football game in a police state is only fun if the Badgers are winning.

Between the over-the-top security and a coach not up to the task, the fans at the game dropped to the point that they were routinely outnumbered by the visiting team. On the plus side, you get get a student ticket and sit literally anywhere in the place.

Once people quit going to the games, the taverns who donate heavily to the program lost their reason to donate.

Bielema may be the Don Morton of this generation, but it will take a few more knucklehead behaviors (and losses) to make that happen.

Walter, I get your point, but you are forgetting who you work for: the University Elite. It is okay to gas and tase students, but leave the Maple Bluff Alumni alone or you will end up losing that cool overtime on gameday. . .

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Postby nevermore » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:31 pm

Dulouz wrote:What killed Don Morton wasn't just the Verve offense and not being ready for the Big Ten, it was the overzealous security in the Stadium.

The big story was an 80 year woman having her hot chocolate dumped out because the security drone "smelled vodka."

Going to see a football game in a police state is only fun if the Badgers are winning.

Between the over-the-top security and a coach not up to the task, the fans at the game dropped to the point that they were routinely outnumbered by the visiting team. On the plus side, you get get a student ticket and sit literally anywhere in the place.

Once people quit going to the games, the taverns who donate heavily to the program lost their reason to donate.

Bielema may be the Don Morton of this generation, but it will take a few more knucklehead behaviors (and losses) to make that happen.

First, it's called the Veer Offense. The Verve Offense is football played to the sounds of Herbie Hancock, Natalie Cole, Wayne Shorter and Aaron Neville. At least it beats watching shitty football while listening to the fucking marching band.

I remember the ads towards the end of the Morton era where they were practically saying "Bring in your booze! We're gonna stop checking now!" What also killed Don Morton's career was that he was a whiny, classless asshole. After Barry's first season (1-10 for those who forgot), Morton called up every sportswriter he could to crow about it. Would you believe he works for Microsoft now? I would have thought he was in the Bush Administration.

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Postby Dulouz » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:47 pm

nevermore wrote:First, it's called the Veer Offense. The Verve Offense is football played to the sounds of Herbie Hancock, Natalie Cole, Wayne Shorter and Aaron Neville. At least it beats watching shitty football while listening to the fucking marching band.

I remember the ads towards the end of the Morton era where they were practically saying "Bring in your booze! We're gonna stop checking now!" What also killed Don Morton's career was that he was a whiny, classless asshole. After Barry's first season (1-10 for those who forgot), Morton called up every sportswriter he could to crow about it. Would you believe he works for Microsoft now? I would have thought he was in the Bush Administration.


Oops, I knew that it started with a V. I was being a bit sarcastic. I actually think living on Woodrow might be grounds for tasing in and of itself. (joking!)

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Postby lysander » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:36 pm

dstol62 wrote:
jjoyce wrote:I just think the taser is called upon way too quickly these days. Back when I was in school, cops might take your thumb and bend it to your wrist to get you moving... and it generally worked pretty well.

I mean, couldn't they have just given her the Spock?


It wouldn't be the same without the musical motif which always accompanied the pinch (duh-duuh)...

Do you think it's a coincidence that "Taser" rhymes with "Phaser"? I just wish there was some way to adjust the shock level. Entitled crazy woman needs less juice than 6'8" 325lb meth freak. I'm ok with the zap here, though. A quick shock is usually less harmful than a broken arm and dislocated shoulder.

All that aside, fuck anyone that blocks isles or doorways. Laugh all you want about the stupid fire codes, but when you've personally been in a stampede, administering a steel toe to the back of some idiot's skull makes sense. Especially doorways, because it seems like almost anywhere I go, some slapdick is talking to his douchebag friends right in the doorway, like it's not the hole that people walk through to get in or out.


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