Sandyhook community buys back First Person Shooters

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Re: Sandyhook community buys back First Person Shooters

Postby pjbogart » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:02 pm

gargantua wrote:There is a horror story nearly every week. But guns have nothing to do with it. Violent games have nothing to do with it. Violent media have nothing to do with it.

Right. We just have to live with it, and nothing can be done. Rather than mock people who are trying to do something, what do you suggest?


Someone didn't watch "Bowling for Columbine". Regardless of what you think of Michael Moore, he makes a pretty compelling film that leaves you with far more questions than it answers. I'll let you come to your own conclusions, but my suspicion is that the problem is US.

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Re: Sandyhook community buys back First Person Shooters

Postby baked goods » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:22 pm

gargantua wrote: Rather than mock people who are trying to do something, what do you suggest?


I watched Bowling for Columbine. What have you done? Start a petition?

By the way, you do know the difference between doing and talking or doing and writing memos, right? Many on this board are confused and lump the two concepts together. At least they are trying.

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Re: Sandyhook community buys back First Person Shooters

Postby baked goods » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:30 pm

I'm truly inspired now. I'm going to go on Facebook and start a cause. I think all squirt guns should be banned.

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Re: Sandyhook community buys back First Person Shooters

Postby nofpssinwisconsin » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:31 am

baked goods wrote:I'm truly inspired now. I'm going to go on Facebook and start a cause. I think all squirt guns should be banned.


We are a small group with limited technical knowledge. We just discovered this forum.

Does anyone know of other such forums that we may post in this state?

We have started an email campaign. We find publicly listed addressed and hand email out our information. So far we have sent out over 4,000 emails, mostly in the Madison area. We have not been able to do much with our Facebook page at "NO FPSS in Wisconsin" but hope for more momentum.

Very simply, we don't want these FPSS products made here in Wisconsin. They are deliberately addictive and coincidentally destructive and the people who make them have blood on their hands.

The research into FPSS's is trending clearly. It's an addictive product that causes damage to many people. It also has very few if any positives. We should be ashamed that they have set up shop here. They couldn't do it in many places, such as parts of Connecticut, Colorado, and the entire country of Norway. If we condone their activities here, then we have the blood on our hands as well, but not the blood money.

Brian and Steve Raphael were raised and still live in Verona. James Sumwalt lives in Middleton. Chris Rhinehart, Ben Gokey, Ted Halsted, Paul MacArthur, and Shane Gurno live in Madison. If you know them, if you are their neighbors, if you know their wives, if your children go to school with them, if you go to their houses for parties, if you sit with them in church, state to them that you wish they would leave Wisconsin or at least instead produce something less destructive to the community, such as pornography.

Watch the video from the link below. Think about being an emotionally disturbed teen and engaging in the scene for 60 hours a week. And then realize that there are countless emotionally disturbed teens doing just that, engaging for days, months, years at a time with limited sleep or breaks.

http://www.ithp.org/articles/violentvideogames.html

Raven/Human Head are directly responsible for the depicted product. A product where virtual families are massacred in an airport. Next time you and your family go to an airport and are waiting at the luggage check in, be sure to think about the owners and employees of Raven and Human Head and credit them for the thoughts in your head.
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Re: Sandyhook community buys back First Person Shooters

Postby Mad Howler » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:38 am

nofpssinwisconsin wrote:So why do we in Wisconsin have lower standards than these places.

Where do you get this "we" shit?
nofpssinwisconsin wrote:We are a small group, that includes parents, grandparents, and whose professions include, teacher, physician, health care administrator, small business owner...But I have been designated as the main writer, because I do the most writing for work.

We are limited in new technology, have had a very difficult setting up our facebook page, and have started an email campaign as well, but gather addresses from publicly listed sites and individually send them out. We have sent out over 4,000 emails, mostly in the Madison area. And we just discovered the forum as a place to post this week.

Does anyone know of other forums in the State that we can post?


Pollute the waters of public discourse at you own peril.
Compel or I will be compelled to think you are paid to be dorking around for someone like, let me guess, the NRA?
I always liked Tom Selleck back in the day, I wonder if he should take a leadership position at this time.
Could be/has been worse.

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Re: Sandyhook community buys back First Person Shooters

Postby peripat » Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:52 am

It is very easy to take a position and say 'if this were done then everything would be okay', but that oversimplifies alarmingly. Think about the anti-abortion activists who are going to save lives by killing doctors who do abortions (or even about the number of school shooters who are badly bullied by their peers, parents, teachers etc). This group has already announced that everyone who works for a business that produces a product they do not like should be killed. That is the point where it takes on the worst characteristics of a bad religion- absolute belief without any proof- and the conviction that everyone 'outside' their belief system is evil and thus should be eliminated.

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Postby Stebben84 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:59 am

nofpssinwisconsin wrote:Brian and Steve Raphael were raised and still live in Verona. James Sumwalt lives in Middleton. Chris Rhinehart, Ben Gokey, Ted Halsted, Paul MacArthur, and Shane Gurno live in Madison. If you know them, if you are their neighbors, if you know their wives, if your children go to school with them, if you go to their houses for parties, if you sit with them in church, state to them that you wish they would leave Wisconsin or at least instead produce something less destructive to the community, such as pornography.


So what, you're now trying to publicly harass the people who work for this company? You name them on Facebook and you name them here. You've got some pretty sick ideas. How about you state who you and others in your group so that we can sit down with you and tell you how your efforts are misguided. I didn't happen to see all of your names on Facebook.

You keep saying we, we, we. Please tell us who the "we" are.

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Re: Sandyhook community buys back First Person Shooters

Postby nofpssinwisconsin » Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:10 am

Stebben84 wrote:
nofpssinwisconsin wrote:Brian and Steve Raphael were raised and still live in Verona. James Sumwalt lives in Middleton. Chris Rhinehart, Ben Gokey, Ted Halsted, Paul MacArthur, and Shane Gurno live in Madison. If you know them, if you are their neighbors, if you know their wives, if your children go to school with them, if you go to their houses for parties, if you sit with them in church, state to them that you wish they would leave Wisconsin or at least instead produce something less destructive to the community, such as pornography.


So what, you're now trying to publicly harass the people who work for this company? You name them on Facebook and you name them here. You've got some pretty sick ideas. How about you state who you and others in your group so that we can sit down with you and tell you how your efforts are misguided. I didn't happen to see all of your names on Facebook.

You keep saying we, we, we. Please tell us who the "we" are.


These men have plastered themselves all over the internet in self publicity. They boast on Twitter and Facebook. They speak at community functions. They try to be rock stars. They give interviews. The write their own bio's on Wiki. They have asked for the attention. Just like any media celebrity.

We are giving them the attention and letting them know that we are ashamed that they live here, that they produce an addictive and destructive product that harms countless people. A product that has virtually no upside. A product whose profits have the blood of children and families on it.

These people above have not hidden. They have not asked to live a quiet life. They have asked for the attention, and we are providing them with what they asked for. So we hope others will provide them and anyone else who works for them some attention as well. Even if you agree and like their FPSS's tell them and others. We want everyone else in the community to know what is happening. Maybe we are wrong but at least it's not a secret as they get rich. It's just like the campaigns that list the drug dealers in a neighborhood. We want it out in the open and we want everyone to know what is happening in this state.

But bottom line, we'd like them to trade with a company that produces pornography in the valley and Raven and Humanhead owners and employees can live with the rest of the dregs in LA and away from us.

P.S. We are glad you looked at FB page. We can't get people to like us. Probably because we're not very likeable, but at least we are slowly getting traffic and comments.

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Re: Sandyhook community buys back First Person Shooters

Postby peripat » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:59 am

You know you could say most of that about the people who produce actual guns, you know, those things used to actually kill people, but you are not posting the names and locations of the actual people who are making actual money from killing other actual people. Or sales, you could post the names and personal information for everyone who sells actual guns or works for a business that sells actual guns. Or lawmakers who support actual guns and write and vote for legislation that allows more people to have more actual guns. Your choice of a target is almost random.

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Re: Sandyhook community buys back First Person Shooters

Postby nofpssinwisconsin » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:07 am

Please someone answer the questions of what value do FPSS have for our community. And what level of destruction do they have.

The South rationalizes their relationship with the cigarette industry and even describes certain geographical areas as "Tobacco Road." Are we going to rename ourselves, First-Person-Shooter Street? At least cigarettes may have some socially redeeming qualities such as increasing productivity. Andpeople don't kill children after smoking too much.

What value do FPSS's have? It's an addictive, destructive product that hurts the people who engage in them and hurt the community as we have to deal with the side effects. Just like drugs. Just like gambling. At best it's a waist of time. But in reality it changes the brain wave patterns of users.

The people who own and work at Raven and Human Head are like Walt in Breaking Bad. They have lost their moral compass. Tell them to change their product or move. Tell them that they are engaged in an evil and morally corrupt activity and that we don't want to have to pay for the fallout from their lack of conscience.

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Re: Sandyhook community buys back First Person Shooters

Postby peripat » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:59 am

I'd say you need to explain what value you personally have to the community, justify your own existence before you start demanding others prove to you that they too have a right to live.

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Re: Sandyhook community buys back First Person Shooters

Postby timby » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:04 am

OK, there's a lot of obfuscation and flat-out inaccurate information being spouted here, so let's clarify a few things.

Raven Software hasn't released a full game since 2010. The company underwent significant and major layoffs in 2009 following a number of under-performing releases, and after a nasty spat with its publisher, Activision, it had another round of layoffs a year or so later. The company is a shell of its former self, and its involvement with the Call of Duty series has been limited to helping out with UX design and building maps for multiplayer. The Call of Duty games are actually made by two other studios named Infinity Ward and Treyarch, which trade off development on each title in the series (Infinity Ward builds one, then Treyarch builds the next, and so on).

As for Human Head, holy moly -- they've released one game in the past seven years, the aforementioned Fort Courage, which is a goofy little Android phone game about fighting evil aliens on Mars.

So neither studio is in any way some sort of murder simulator mass-production factory, which you are actively proclaiming.

That being said, even if they were, this is an incredibly misguided campaign you are running. It goes back to the old adage: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." A small subset of the population beats their spouses after they drink too much alcohol, but I don't think anyone is seriously calling for a return to Prohibition. That guy in Colorado who shot up the movie theater didn't do it because he watched too many Batman movies. You say your audience on Facebook is small because your content isn't "likable," but I'd argue more it's because your content isn't based on any sort of logic, but rather weak appeals to base emotion.

You say that you aren't dismissing the fact that this country's mental healthcare is broken, but every time you return to this same histrionic song and dance, you absolutely are dismissing it. The fact of the matter is this: Mental illness still carries with it a very, very nasty stigma in this nation. If someone is depressed or disturbed, they are often told to just suck it up and deal with it. Until that stigma is fixed, until it is made very clear that if you need to go to someone and say, "I can't do this on my own, I need help," then that's totally fine,and until it becomes as easy to get mental health treatment as it is to go to Walgreens and pick up some groceries, there will always be some isolated people who occasionally snap and commit murder, sometimes on a broad scale.
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Re: Sandyhook community buys back First Person Shooters

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:08 am

nofpssinwisconsin wrote:At least cigarettes may have some socially redeeming qualities such as increasing productivity. Andpeople don't kill children after smoking too much.

Yes, they do. Besides the three hundred thousand smokers who die of their habit every year, they also kill tens of thousands with second hand smoke.

How many die because of video games?

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Re: Sandyhook community buys back First Person Shooters

Postby snoqueen » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:15 am

Gambling -- video and other -- is addictive, causes changes in brain patterns, and in addition causes personal bankruptcies and other stresses, financial and personal, to the gambler and his/her family. Why not go after that instead? You might actually be able to prove harm is being done, which you have not bothered to try doing with regard to your present target.

Personally, I think your time would be better spent in support of mental health services for all and and anti-bullying programs for kids. That might actually result in a reduction of real-world violence.

I'm sure you will do neither, preferring inchoate zealotry to a fact-based, articulate information campaign.

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Re: Sandyhook community buys back First Person Shooters

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:34 pm

nofpssinwisconsin wrote:The people who own and work at Raven and Human Head are like Walt in Breaking Bad.

No, they aren't. The people who own and work at Raven and Human Head are not fictional characters. Breaking Bad is a TV show. And not a particularly realistic one to anyone who actually lives in the real world. (Although it's probably inspired more copy cat crimes than video games ever have.) If you think that show is in any way reflective of reality, then it sure sounds to me like you're the one living in a bizarro fantasy world, not those who enjoy a good video shoot'em-up.


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