Best Madison Assisted Living for Middle/Low Income People?

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Best Madison Assisted Living for Middle/Low Income People?

Postby adrian z. » Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:11 pm

Oakwood is great, but my 90 year old mom can't get in because her savings aren't over 200K. Capitol Lakes and Attic Angels are highly recommended, but are also in the high-finances category and don't take people without proven wealth. (300K assets minimum.)

During recent tours, I didn't get good vibes at Harmony (East) or Oak Park Place (East). I'm not crazy about Heritage (Monona), where she currently lives, which is beautiful, but they have a very corporate feel and evict people when their money runs out. They won't take county funding, which they did not disclose up front honestly when I asked them about it.

I like what I hear about Chammomile assisted living, but haven't been there yet.

Any leads for places you've been impressed by?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Best Assisted Living in Madison for Middle Class People?

Postby snoqueen » Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:43 pm

My family gives the highest possible marks to Chamomile Assisted Living. Locally owned, not a chain, management is on site. I can't address how their specific financial requirements or waiting list compare with other assisted living places. None of them is cheap.

All assisted living facilities are inspected by the state and you can find the records on line.

Remember, in assisted living, the staff are not nurses. Visiting nurses come in as needed (or as funded by Medicare) for patients who need nursing care. If someone is on hospice care, the hospice nurses come in. If your family member needs constant nursing care and is not on hospice, they need to be in a nursing home.

If you live near enough the facility to visit every day or every other day (if only for a few minutes) you'll find your mom gets better care regardless of where she is placed. Knowing the names of all the staff, treating everyone with courtesy and respect, and having a reputation for showing up regularly make a huge difference.

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Re: Best Assisted Living in Madison for Middle Class People?

Postby adrian z. » Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:15 pm

Thanks snoqueen. I'm very clearn about the line between skilled and assisted living. Most assisted living residences- especially those with more patients with dementia, have nurses on staff, which is what I was referring to. The caregivers may be CNAs, but not always, and they DO need to be trained to understand the residents' diagnoses and needs in order to provide quality care.

I know all their names, treat them very well, and visit often. I've been doing this for years, so have gotten to see how different places work.

Really good to hear your high opinion of Chammomile. I was impressed when I spoke with the director on the phone. He sounds very involved in a direct way, which sadly, can be unusual in the bigger places.

Hope more people will contribute to this discussion too.

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Re: Best Assisted Living in Madison for Middle Class People?

Postby snoqueen » Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:00 am

Jeff (owner) at Chamomile is one in a million.

I've been at this more than ten years too (though my last elderly family member passed away this winter). It's a long road and having good help makes it so much easier. Good luck with whatever you find. I have heard some of the smaller privately-run homes in outlying towns are very good too.

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Re: Best Assisted Living in Madison for Middle Class People?

Postby adrian z. » Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:41 am

Thanks!

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Re: Best Assisted Living in Madison for Middle Class People?

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Re: Best Assisted Living in Madison for Middle Class People?

Postby adrian z. » Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:22 pm

I didn't click on that link because it smelled of spam to me. If it's not, would the poster please disclose your name and explain how you're connected to the city of Madison?

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Re: Best Assisted Living in Madison for Middle Class People?

Postby cxl01 » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:08 am

adrian z. wrote:I didn't click on that link because it smelled of spam to me. If it's not, would the poster please disclose your name and explain how you're connected to the city of Madison?

I didn't click the link either, for the same reason.

I have that same creepy feeling I get when someone offers me a "free" weekend at a resort, but it's only "free" if I view a "short presentation" about purchasing a time-share.

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Re: Best Madison Assisted Living for Middle/Low Income Peopl

Postby kstock » Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:42 pm

Not sure about Chamomile assisted living. I would always take a word of mouth review over a slick sales pitch. If you take a tour of a facility, be sure to ask how many caregivers there are on duty for every resident. 20 residents to 1 caregiver bad! 6/1 good. Small homes are usually better at care. I found this site that has some pictures and info about Chamomile <a href="http://assistedlivingreview.com/">Assisted Living</a> . Good luck.

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Re: Best Madison Assisted Living for Middle/Low Income Peopl

Postby adrian z. » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:23 am

Thanks. I definitely pay attention to staffing ratios, though have found that what they promise isn't always what you get, but if they aim for a tighter ratio, that's at least hopeful that their standards may be much better.

My favorite strategy is to pop in at several different times unannounced to get my first gut impressions. Everytime I've ignored my gut, it's been a bad thing. I don't even consider the sales brochures/websites anymore, except to get bare bones details. It may just mean they have more money for marketing, if things look better on paper/screen.

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Re: Best Madison Assisted Living for Middle/Low Income Peopl

Postby kstock » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:32 am

That's so true. If there marketing department looks like place they put all their resources, I'd pass. I met the marketing person for a large well known Assisted Living facility and she sure sold her place well. A few months later I met a caregiver who works their and she told me they had 2 caregivers for 45 residents? I could never do that job!

Another thing to check for is the extra things they may charge for. For example, this place I know charges $3 per meal to cut your moms food and $5 per meal to escort her down to dinning room. YIKES! Some things you think would be a given.

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Re: Best Madison Assisted Living for Middle/Low Income Peopl

Postby snoqueen » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:11 pm

kstock wrote: I met the marketing person for a large well known Assisted Living facility and she sure sold her place well. A few months later I met a caregiver who works their and she told me they had 2 caregivers for 45 residents? I could never do that job!

Another thing to check for is the extra things they may charge for. For example, this place I know charges $3 per meal to cut your moms food and $5 per meal to escort her down to dinning room. YIKES! Some things you think would be a given.


If by the use of that link you are implying the situations you describe apply to Chamomile Asst Living (which is where the link goes) I have to tell you they do not. None of them. I don't work there, but they did a great job for us and I want to counter any false impressions your link leaves.

Basically, the large corporate facilities are far more bureaucratized and impersonal than the smaller family-run homes. Checking on staff ratio, turnover rates, and extra charges is essential.

Actually they don't even HAVE a marketing person, so I doubt you meant to apply anything else you said to them either. But just for the record...

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Re: Best Madison Assisted Living for Middle/Low Income Peopl

Postby kstock » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:37 pm

Wow! I just found a site that had info about that facility. I wasn't implying anything. i was just making a general point.

I agree with you on the corporate facilities. With family run homes, there is no President, VP of this, VP of that, shareholders etc.


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