Highway M expansion

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Re: Highway M expansion

Postby Donald » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:01 pm

Highway M expansion should have been done years ago. I look at the development on the periphery as a potential environmental plus. The majority of people living on the periphery now have shorter commutes (less gas used) because they don't have to drive downtown to work. They don't contribute to the pollution in the isthmus area. Most of the suburban development is displacing corn production, not a big loss from an environmental standpoint, unless it would revert to oak savannah. If the people living in single family homes would tear up their lawns and use native plants and grow vegetables in large gardens, converting corn to suburban lots would be a huge plus.

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Re: Highway M expansion

Postby Crockett » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:12 pm

Uncle_Leaver wrote:
Crockett wrote:Who pays for the wars and subsidies to keep gas low for the 'poor'? The rich.

You're a simpleton.


The top 50% of taxpayers pay 97.11% of all taxes.

http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays- ... taxes.html

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Re: Highway M expansion

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:20 pm

Dumbest thread jack ever. And I would know... Anyways back to the construction. I couldn't think of a better place in town to do this kind of expansion. It's going to free up a lot of traffic on M and in other areas. Currently Hwy M at rush hour is even worse than the start/stop of the beltline and god forbid if you have to make a left from Junction to Mineral point headed north. My only problem with it is why it's taken so long. This proposal has been up forever and it's still going to be years before the area gets this much needed relief?

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Re: Highway M expansion

Postby AC » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:29 pm

This particular project is necessary. This isn't a solution searching for a problem. Madison annexed a whole lot of land out west and Madison, Middleton, and Verona have all added a lot of housing, retail, and general business development to the area.

Madison is not a giant commercial center full of financial institutions and corporate headquarters. There's still quite a bit of light industrial and distribution business that would be located outside of a city like New York right in Madison. Redeveloping and adding density to the central part of the city is great, but there are a host of businesses that are not conducive to a central location that are going to locate somewhere. Why shouldn't some of it be in Madison instead of Verona, Middleton or Fitchburg?

I think it's wise for Madison to promote some growth like this on the outskirts (what's left of them) because it will be done better this way. Good storm water policies, maybe some bike lanes, good mixed use development, and other things a neighboring municipality (where development would certainly go otherwise) may not do. Sure, there's the McMansionville out in Hawks ridge, but there's also surprisingly dense development off Midtown Rd. on the other side of M. Also, the new research park project, Epic, an occasional new addition to the Old Sauk Trails office park, some new businesses going up on Mineral Point Rd, etc.

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Re: Highway M expansion

Postby wack wack » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:32 pm

Crockett wrote:Who pays for the wars and subsidies to keep gas low for the 'poor'? The rich.


What? The rich pay for the wars so the poor can have cheap oil?

Seriously Crockett, what the fuck is wrong with you?

The rich fund wars to protect oil for the rich. The rich fund everything with the intent of protecting the interests of the rich.

And who fights the wars funded by the rich to protect the rich? The poor.

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Re: Highway M expansion

Postby AaronTheSnob » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:39 pm

As someone who commuted into Madison for years, I am here to tell you that there are also a very significant number of people who commute outward from Madison into surrounding communities as well. There were many mornings that there were as many cars heading out of Madison toward Oregon and those parts as there were coming into Madison. I'm just sayin'...

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Re: Highway M expansion

Postby Crockett » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:41 pm

Keep building out...see you in any-city USA...

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Re: Highway M expansion

Postby Crockett » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:44 pm

AC wrote: Redeveloping and adding density to the central part of the city is great, but there are a host of businesses that are not conducive to a central location that are going to locate somewhere. Why shouldn't some of it be in Madison instead of Verona, Middleton or Fitchburg?


Driven around LA or Denver lately? Or Phoenix? Or DC?
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Re: Highway M expansion

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:45 pm

Keep building out...see you in any-city USA...


And we'll see YOU in Mumbai, India.

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Re: Highway M expansion

Postby Crockett » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:49 pm

fisticuffs wrote:
Keep building out...see you in any-city USA...


And we'll see YOU in Mumbai, India.


They have great, expansive public transportation? Know what they don't do? Kill our kids and other people for oil.

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Re: Highway M expansion

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:51 pm

They have great, expansive public transportation? Know what they don't do? Kill our kids and other people for oil.


Sounds like someone's in love. I'll look forward to reading your eulogy when you fall off the side of an overcrowded bus. Good luck breaking through that casse system.

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Re: Highway M expansion

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:53 pm

Ahhh... Paradise. No pesky unions. No infrastructure. The rich and the poor stay that way.
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Re: Highway M expansion

Postby green union terrace chair » Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:52 pm

fisticuffs wrote:Ahhh... Paradise. No pesky unions. No infrastructure. The rich and the poor stay that way.
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Is that the Epic campus?

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Re: Highway M expansion

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:01 pm

Is that the Epic campus?


Not sure I get this. Go ahead and google Epic Systems campus. It's the greenest thing in Wisconsin.

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Re: Highway M expansion

Postby AC » Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:19 pm

Crockett wrote:Driven around LA or Denver lately? Or Phoenix? Or DC?

Okay, I get it. You don't like that Madison has a lot of suburban style development. Say the city just stopped annexing at Whitney Way to the West and the Beltline to the South, what would have happened to that land? Would developers and businesses lined up to build Madison toward the sky? Would Middleton, Fitchburg and Verona gobbled up that land instead? Would there be yet another completely new suburb out west? Assuming the development followed a similar or even more sprawled path under different municipalities, would Madison's tax base be better off without those developments? I don't think it really matters what you call the city, that development happens anyway. It would take really draconian limitations at the county level to stop it and, IMO, that would stop a large part of the engine that keeps this county's population growing (half of that growth happened in Madison since 2000 according to preliminary census numbers, iirc) which is opportunity at new and expanding private businesses. Certainly the job growth isn't driven completely by the State or University any more.


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