Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

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Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

Postby jonnygothispen » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:53 pm

... to provide for the security of a free-loader state.

According to a local scooter shop owner, the City of Madison just made it illegal for mopeds to park anywhere except where cars can park beginning January 1, 2018. Will metered parking stalls for bicycles be next?

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Re: Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

Postby gargantua » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:51 pm

I don't think the owner is correct. There is discussion of limitations on where mopeds can park downtown, but nothing of that magnitude.

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Re: Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

Postby Madsci » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:06 pm

As a former Madison bike commuter, I hated that mopeds would take up space (usually multiple spaces) at the bike racks. A few times a moped would unfortunately tip over as I tried to secure my bicycle to the rack.

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Re: Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

Postby jonnygothispen » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:17 pm

They should just make 'moped only' parking places out car-parking spots, and do it now so there isn't a hassle over it next spring...

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Re: Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

Postby PaleoLiberal » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:29 pm

How does an e-Bike differ from a moped, and are the laws regarding mopeds the same as laws regarding bikes?

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Re: Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

Postby gargantua » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:28 pm

gargantua wrote:I don't think the owner is correct. There is discussion of limitations on where mopeds can park downtown, but nothing of that magnitude.

I apologize. The above post was incorrect-the proposed ordinance IS city-wide.

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Re: Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

Postby jonnygothispen » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:16 am

Where art thou Madison?

Not necessarily a bad idea if it's coupled with new parking ramps, and scooter only spaces.

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Re: Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:25 am

jonnygothispen wrote:Not necessarily a bad idea if it's coupled with new parking ramps, and scooter only spaces.

What should they be used for in the dead of winter?

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Re: Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

Postby jman111 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:29 am

Henry Vilas wrote:What should they be used for in the dead of winter?
Um, scooters?

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Re: Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:38 am

Do people (organ donors) ride scooters in heavy snow or sleet?

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Re: Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

Postby jman111 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:50 am

Yep- scooters, bikes, motorcycles. Usage is down in the winter, for sure, but not nonexistent.

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Re: Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:54 am

Enough winter use to warrant a ramp or two for only scooters? What hourly rate is needed to pay for those ramps?

At least finding a parking space will be very, very easy.

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Re: Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

Postby PaleoLiberal » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:50 pm

People I know in the health professions say early spring, with grit still all over the roads and rusty riders, is the peak season for organ donations.

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Re: Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

Postby jman111 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:52 pm

I didn't read it to mean 'ramps for scooters only', but rather, 'more parking ramps which include parking specifically for scooters'.

The idea of building ramps specifically for scooters seemed too absurd for serious consideration. ymmv

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Re: Will new law see a rise in Moped Militias?

Postby Ducatista » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:53 pm

PaleoLiberal wrote:How does an e-Bike differ from a moped, and are the laws regarding mopeds the same as laws regarding bikes?


This is for mopeds. If you're including scooters in that term, then think bigger/heavier/faster.

Weight

An e-bike typically weighs about 20lbs more than a standard bike of the same style, usually around 50 lbs total. Noticeable if you've got to haul it upstairs, but not significant in operation, when you factor in the weight of the average rider.

Mopeds range from around 60 lbs up to 100+.

Fuel

e-bikes run on battery power.

Most mopeds are gas powered.

Operation

An e-bike isn't a self-propelled machine. The motor will only assist as long as you're pedaling — and you can ride with the assist turned off, pure leg power.

Moped pedals aren't for propulsion, they're just to get the motor started. After that, you just sit there while the motor does the work.

Speed

Most e-bikes will assist you up to 20mph, but some assist up to 28mph. That's not their top speed... they'll go as fast as your legs and/or the descent will allow.

Mopeds top out at 30mph (beyond that, they're classified as scooters, I believe).

Restrictions

e-bikes are allowed on bike paths,but only if the motor isn't engaged.

Mopeds aren't allowed on bike paths. (Here, anyway. Dunno about other states. I was surprised that in the Netherlands, which is SO bike friendly, mopeds & scooters up to 50cc are allowed on the bike paths.)

AFAIK, neither requires a license or helmet in WI.


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