Assembly districts to be redrawn

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Assembly districts to be redrawn

Postby Shorty » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:08 pm

I got this email from afl-cio. I presume Repubs will challenge it.

"Federal judges have just ordered Gov. Walker and the legislature to redraw Assembly districts for the state of Wisconsin. A panel of three judges previously ruled that the 2011 maps drawn by Walker & Republicans were unconstitutional because their hyper-partisan nature trampled on the rights of voters to have a fair say in our democracy. Now, the courts have ordered that new, less partisan Assembly maps be drawn. Redrawing Assembly maps will also impact Senate maps as there are 3 Assembly district in each Senate district.

The new maps must be drawn by November 1, 2017 and be in place for the November 2018 elections."

Judges to state: Redraw legislative districts before 2018 election
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/ ... 3BF3F4056A

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Re: Assembly districts to be redrawn

Postby fflambeau » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:43 pm

This court is correct and took a courageous stand. BUT, the GOP will appeal and probably win before a Supreme Court with Trump appointees. That's what they are banking on.

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Re: Assembly districts to be redrawn

Postby Shorty » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:06 am

Judges naive on order to redraw maps
http://host.madison.com/ct/opinion/colu ... d01e4.html

"But the court put too much faith in the ability of the Republican leaders in the Legislature to devise maps that will pass constitutional muster. The plaintiffs in the case had asked the judges to draw the maps themselves on the grounds that the Republican leaders’ “illegal conduct in passing and defending” the original maps disqualified them from this task. The judges rejected that argument, asserting that the record in this case “contains no evidence of the malice or intransigence” that would justify the unusual remedy of taking the map-drawing out of the Legislature’s hands.

The judges underestimate the maliciousness and intransigence of this crowd, I’m afraid. The judges also refused to provide the Legislature with detailed instructions about how to proceed with the new map-drawing, which is another mistake. At the very least, the judges should have required that the process be open to the public, with public hearings and an opportunity for public comment."

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Re: Assembly districts to be redrawn

Postby PaleoLiberal » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:26 pm

At various times in our nation's history, there have been groups of people who have done what they can to subvert the democratic process for their own gain. Sometimes it has been Democrats, such as Tammany Hall or the Jim Crow south. Other times it has been Republicans, such as territorial Hawaii.

Right now it is the entire national Republican Party, and the GOP in almost every state in the Union, with the possible exception of a few places like Hawaii where the GOP is basically where Democrats who couldn't get the nomination run as Republicans.

The meddling works until it doesn't work anymore. The Democratic Party is now extremely weak in the South. The Republican Party is extremely weak in Hawaii. Tammany Hall was torn apart by Republican reformers, who were very strong in NY for many years (Teddy Roosevelt, La Guardia, Lindsey, etc.)

I am hoping at some point the common people will catch on, and punish the Wisconsin and National GOP.

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Re: Assembly districts to be redrawn

Postby Igor » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:45 pm

I am fine if gerrymandering is banned, but I think that has to include gerrymandering that some here would consider "good". A handful of the worst gerrymanders were mandated by the federal government.

Non-partisan redistricting is going to result in some packed districts regardless. I believe one of the goals of those processes is to have districts follow logical political and geographical boundaries. If that is the case, Gwen Moore's district is likely to remain mostly a City of Milwaukee district, for example.

On the other hand, the concept of wanting to create "competitive" districts sounds very fishy. This isn't NASCAR, where we want to try to rig the competition so that a 36 week season comes down to the last lap of the last race every year.

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Re: Assembly districts to be redrawn

Postby PaleoLiberal » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:51 pm

True.

Some of the gerrymandering was used to create majority-minority districts. Those districts are then overwhelmingly Democratic, sometimes 80-90% or even more. The idea is not just that the district will be over 50% Democrat, but well over 50% black or well over 50% Hispanic, etc. Then the chances of getting a black or Hispanic Congressperson are very, very high.

The problem is, doing that tends to give Republicans more seats than the population would otherwise lend itself. An area which is a 50:50 mix of Democrats and Republicans that might've had four competitive districts, 2 mostly Democrat and 2 mostly Republican, instead has one overwhelmingly Democratic district. and 3 strongly Republican district.

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Re: Assembly districts to be redrawn

Postby PaleoLiberal » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:52 pm

Gerrymandering has created an interesting case with the WI 1st and 2nd districts, under both the Democrats and Republicans. At one point both were competitive, with the 1st leaning GOP and the 2nd leaning Democrat. After the 2000 census, many of the Democratic areas were moved from the 1st to the 2nd, while Republicans were moved from the 2nd to the 1st. Even more after 2010. SO both Dems and GOP did this.

What that means -- neither party has a need to run a centrist candidate. A more leftist Democrat can more easily win the Democratic primary, with no fear of losing to a moderate Republican. Similarly, the Republicans can keep an extremist in the 1st district, knowing that a centrist Democrat would lose badly.

And so, the districts get polarized. The Democrats can move further to the left, and the Republicans can move further to the right, and far fewer districts are competitive.

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Re: Assembly districts to be redrawn

Postby gargantua » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:31 pm

So what's the answer then? The current state of affairs ill serves the general public. I'm tempted to just have a computer do it. Of course then we need to pay attention to how it's programmed. Oy.

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Re: Assembly districts to be redrawn

Postby DCB » Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:51 am

The R's have a plan for addressing the new maps: throw lots of your tax dollars at it.
Republican lawmakers voted behind closed doors Thursday to give a blank check to hire two law firms — one of which routinely bills more than $800 an hour — in a legal battle over redrawing legislative maps.


But g*d forbid any of the working poor should be able to by crab.

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Re: Assembly districts to be redrawn

Postby Zoti Bemba » Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:00 pm

DCB wrote:But g*d forbid any of the working poor should be able to by crab.


Or want to find out what the legislators who supposedly work for them are up to. I assume the private law firm scam is once again a tactic to keep the redistricting process out of the public eye. Because that worked so well last time (for the GOP crooks who have been stealing our elections).

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Re: Assembly districts to be redrawn

Postby Shorty » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:47 am

Tribune article.

Wisconsin GOP gives Chicago, Madison law firms blank check for redistricting fight
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html

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Re: Assembly districts to be redrawn

Postby jonnygothispen » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:04 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 41accdca17

"America’s most gerrymandered congressional districts"

... the point of gerrymandering isn't to draw yourself a collection of overwhelmingly safe seats. Rather, it's to give your opponents a small number of safe seats, while drawing yourself a larger number of seats that are not quite as safe, but that you can expect to win comfortably...


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Re: Assembly districts to be redrawn

Postby Igor » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:15 pm

There apparently is a substantial debate about the impact of gerrymandering, vs. The Big Sort.

https://www.propublica.org/article/the- ... ts-bad-map

I think it probably depends on the state. Almost any non-partisan redistricting plan in Wisconsin is going to have a Milwaukee district and Dane County district that are heavily Democratic, and I just don't know if there are enough Democratic votes around the rest of the state to result in another one without resorting to partisan methods. A logical non-partisan process could pretty easily put Dane, all of Rock, and Green in the 2nd district, which might be even more packed than it is now. The City of Milwaukee is also pretty much unsolvable unless it suddenly increases in population.

That is not to say that it isn't ridiculous to have Portage County in the 3rd. Because it is.

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Re: Assembly districts to be redrawn

Postby david cohen » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:49 am

Imagine if Paul Ryan's congressional district encompassed all of Dane County. No way he'd ever let that happen!

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Re: Assembly districts to be redrawn

Postby Shorty » Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:59 pm

Probably won't help in WI.

The Supreme Court just delivered a major victory for gerrymandering opponents
http://www.salon.com/2017/03/01/the-sup ... opponents/

"Challengers argued the new districts were gerrymandered to specifically target the black community. According to the facts of the case, the Virginia State Legislature drew new lines for 12 state legislative districts after the 2010 census. The goal with this redistricting was to ensure that each district would have a black voting-age population of at least 55 percent. Voters filed suit, arguing that the new districts violated the Fourteen Amendment’s equal protection clause."


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