More Campaign Finance "reform"

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Re: More Campaign Finance "reform"

Postby Henry Vilas » Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:09 pm

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Re: More Campaign Finance "reform"

Postby Roy » Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:14 pm

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Re: More Campaign Finance "reform"

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:17 pm

Republican Gov. Scott Walker has signed a bill that eliminates Wisconsin's nonpartisan state elections board.

Rep. Dean Knudson, who sponsored the legislation, said in a tweet Wednesday that Walker had signed the bill privately. Walker's office didn't immediately respond to messages from The Associated Press.


One more "reform" to insure Republican rule.

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Re: More Campaign Finance "reform"

Postby Roy » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:49 pm

nonpartisan state elections board


There is no such animal in existence.

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Re: More Campaign Finance "reform"

Postby O.J. » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:12 pm

Roy wrote:
nonpartisan state elections board


There is no such animal in existence.


They're hiding among the hordes of Muslim Christians.

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Re: More Campaign Finance "reform"

Postby gargantua » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:06 pm

Roy wrote:
nonpartisan state elections board


There is no such animal in existence.

You know what? It's not a vegetable either.

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Re: More Campaign Finance "reform"

Postby Roy » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:23 pm

gargantua wrote:
Roy wrote:
nonpartisan state elections board


There is no such animal in existence.

You know what? It's not a vegetable either.

Of course not. That would be you! :)

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Re: More Campaign Finance "reform"

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:22 pm

Democrats in the Wisconsin Legislature want to require our judges to recuse themselves when they are asked to rule over issues that directly affect those who have contributed big bucks towards their election.

The U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled on this issue.

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Re: More Campaign Finance "reform"

Postby FJD » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:54 pm

Missing the "h" in "http" for the first link Henry

Require a judge to recuse if, within the last for years, a party in the case has contributed $1000 or more — directly or in independent expenditures.

Goes way beyond the USSC ruling, where the the majority made it pretty clear it was the extreme amount ($3 Million) that caused the issue. Not saying that's a bad thing, though $1000 seems like a pretty low bar to meet. What is to keep a wealthy individual or corporation from donating to every single judicial candidate in areas they do business if they are worried about being sued?

The first bullet point:
Require a judge or justice to recuse himself or herself if a "reasonable person would question whether the judge or justice could act in an impartial manner."


Remains too vague and open for interpretation. The location where a suit is heard will influence what a "reasonable person would question". Why not just set an exact financial limit on the level of benefit a judge or their immediate family can receive in the last 5 years from an entity involved in a case that is being heard?

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Re: More Campaign Finance "reform"

Postby penquin » Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:28 am

When I first heard the "reasonable person" language, first thought also was that it is too vague and needs to be tightened up. But then second thought was that maybe they were making it inflation-proof.

It probably won't see floor vote within the next 5-10 years, but kudos to the Democratic Party of Wisconsin for drafting the bill and bringing attention to this issue. It'll be a hard one for the Repubs to spin away.

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Re: More Campaign Finance "reform"

Postby FJD » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:52 am

penquin wrote:When I first heard the "reasonable person" language, first thought also was that it is too vague and needs to be tightened up. But then second thought was that maybe they were making it inflation-proof.


There are ways to make it inflation proof without leaving it needlessly vague (Make the cap based on a % of overall direct or indirect contributions). Not sure how the home county rule for ethics violations would apply to judges but the Jensen case showed how that can be gamed.

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Re: More Campaign Finance "reform"

Postby you must be joking » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:59 am

fflambeau wrote:Beware any politician promising "reforms".


fflambeau,

Is that like "Hope and Change"?

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Re: More Campaign Finance "reform"

Postby you must be joking » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:34 am

Shorty wrote:Another good article about it.

WI GOP Begins Retroactive Decriminalization of Scott Walker Fundraising
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-bott ... 70286.html

"The far-right Wisconsin Supreme Court already handed Governor Scott Walker a "get out of jail free card" when it called a halt to the John Doe criminal probe into campaign finance violations by Walker and his team of advisors during the 2011-2012 recall elections. Now, the Wisconsin legislature is going the extra mile with three separate bills to retroactively decriminalize the behavior at the heart of the investigation and to defang the nonpartisan elections agency that aided it. Two of the bills are on a fast track being sped through the legislature with an unusual Joint Senate/Assembly hearing on Tuesday.

The first will allow candidates to directly coordinate with big money "issue ad" groups that keep their donors secret -- allowing politicians to form their own shadow campaign committee, and then ask billionaires and corporations from around the country (or even overseas) to contribute million-dollar checks, without any public disclosure. The second will destroy the nonpartisan Government Accountability Board, widely regarded as a "model" for the nation, that assisted prosecutors in the Walker investigation. The third will exempt politicians as a category from these types of corruption probes."


Shorty,

To your points:
"The far-right Wisconsin Supreme Court already handed Governor Scott Walker a "get out of jail free card" when it called a halt to the John Doe criminal probe into campaign finance violations by Walker and his team of advisors during the 2011-2012 recall elections.


Increasingly I find it funny how the liberal/progressive mind works. The US. supreme court already said that what Walker did was legal. Citizens United. Our state law was just not up to speed on this.

The first will allow candidates to directly coordinate with big money "issue ad" groups that keep their donors secret -- allowing politicians to form their own shadow campaign committee, and then ask billionaires and corporations from around the country (or even overseas) to contribute million-dollar checks, without any public disclosure.


Really, and unions and other liberal/progressive special interest groups haven't been doing that for years and years and years?

The second will destroy the nonpartisan Government Accountability Board, widely regarded as a "model" for the nation, that assisted prosecutors in the Walker investigation.


As I have pointed out many times in the past: the "nonpartisan" GAB has ignored scores of abuses of Wisconsins campaign law by liberal/progressives and only has gone after conservative groups.

The third will exempt politicians as a category from these types of corruption probes."


These types of corruption probes. But politicans, political groups, political activists can still be hauled into court. Evidence against a politician or political groups can still be heard by a grand jury.

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Re: More Campaign Finance "reform"

Postby O.J. » Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:49 pm

you must be joking wrote:The US. supreme court already said that what Walker did was legal. Citizens United.


You support Citizens United, yet constantly chime in with "we the people."

Yeah, you're a fucking idiot. Thanks for agreeing.

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Re: More Campaign Finance "reform"

Postby Roy » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:00 pm

O.J. wrote:You support Citizens United, yet constantly chime in with "we the people."

Yeah, you're a fucking idiot. Thanks for agreeing.


The two are not mutually exclusive you f'ing idiot.


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