High speed rail

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Re: High speed rail

Postby timby » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:18 pm

Francis Di Domizio wrote:
timby wrote:Are there people here bagging on Dubuque? Because I will have words with them.


Would it help if I said Dubuque was far classier than East Dubuque?


All the strip joints in East closed years ago due to zoning changes, for the record.

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Re: High speed rail

Postby FJD » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:53 pm

timby wrote:
Francis Di Domizio wrote:
timby wrote:Are there people here bagging on Dubuque? Because I will have words with them.


Would it help if I said Dubuque was far classier than East Dubuque?


All the strip joints in East closed years ago due to zoning changes, for the record.


So Dubuque is no longer classier than East Dubuque?

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Re: High speed rail

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:29 am

Walker's decision to stop high speed rail is going to cost the taxpayers even more money.

Canadian Pacific files loss claim against state in aborted high-speed train deal

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Re: High speed rail

Postby FJD » Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:02 am

Henry Vilas wrote:Walker's decision to stop high speed rail is going to cost the taxpayers even more money.

Canadian Pacific files loss claim against state in aborted high-speed train deal


Not if the case goes the same route as the similar Wisconsin and Southern Railroad case.
It is at least the second time a rail company has sought compensation from the state for losses directly related to the aborted high-speed rail proposal. In 2013, the state Claims Board rejected a claim from Wisconsin and Southern Railroad for $160,000 that the railway said it had spent helping the DOT put together the proposal. The board found there was “insufficient evidence of negligence on the part of the state.”

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Re: High speed rail

Postby snoqueen » Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:17 am

This pro-business act is starting to wear thin. It's ironic the state should claim it's open for business while refusing to pay its existing businesses for service rendered.

No wonder our growth rate is less than our neighboring states. Who would move their operations here?

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Re: High speed rail

Postby FJD » Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:54 am

snoqueen wrote:This pro-business act is starting to wear thin. It's ironic the state should claim it's open for business while refusing to pay its existing businesses for service rendered.

No wonder our growth rate is less than our neighboring states. Who would move their operations here?


To be fair the DOT actually recommends paying it (or at least some of it)

The DOT did suggest that some compensation, although not legally required, may be warranted given Canadian Pacific’s “good faith efforts” to help the previous administration rush through the project.


It sounds like at least in the current case there was no actual contract (or a verbal agreement at best) for the services provided.
” The company claimed it “invested substantial resources based on an oral contract with the state and that DOT assured the claimant it would be paid for its work.”

If anything, that's on the Doyle administration for trying to push the train through fast and not following the correct procedures in getting this work contracted.

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Re: High speed rail

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:46 pm

Walker cancelling the high speed train system is coming back to haunt him.

State to pay $9.75M to Spanish company to settle train lawsuit

That headline should read " State taxpayers to pay...".

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Re: High speed rail

Postby Beaver » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:50 pm

More bad news for taxpayers but I don't think it will haunt him. His supporters still love him and hate the train. Dems still want the train. Nothing has changed.

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Re: High speed rail

Postby pjbogart » Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:42 pm

Beaver wrote:More bad news for taxpayers but I don't think it will haunt him. His supporters still love him and hate the train. Dems still want the train. Nothing has changed.


I'm not sure that's true. In politics you have avid supporters, avid detractors and a varying number of people in the middle who can be swayed either way. Except in extremely gerrymandered congressional districts, most politicians walk a pretty delicate path to woo the middle without alienating their base. If even a small percentage of moderates are turned off by what they see as political posturing that cost us a lot of money, that's something the governor needs to address. It's like football... the field may be 100 yards long, but it's still a game of inches.

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Re: High speed rail

Postby dogmeat » Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:38 pm

The reason we're paying that company is because the jackass Doyle made promises that he was not really in a position to carry out.

Walker campaigned heavily on halting that train project and the majority voted for him. Do you not know that train was never a popular project? Outside of Madison the support was pretty non-existent. The people of Wisconsin didn't want that train. Paying less than $10 million to end that debacle is actually a bargain considering how much that mess was going to cost the state.

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Re: High speed rail

Postby ilikebeans » Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:18 pm

dogmeat wrote: Do you not know that train was never a popular project? Outside of Madison the support was pretty non-existent. The people of Wisconsin didn't want that train. Paying less than $10 million to end that debacle is actually a bargain considering how much that mess was going to cost the state.

Outside of Milwaukee, support for the Zoo interchange reconstruction project is pretty non-existent. It's not even on the radar of the majority of Wisconsinites that live outside that metropolitan area. Go ahead; ask someone from Crivitz if they've even heard of it.

THAT project is expected to cost $1.7 BILLION, over twice what it would have cost to run the rail line between Madison and Milwaukee. Oh wait... the rail construction money was coming from the federal government to the tune of $800 million. But hey, let's just refuse that, then get sued and pay out nearly 10 million of Wisconsin taxpayer dollars ... for nothing.

The Zoo interchange is important, you say, enabling thousands of passenger and cargo vehicles per day? Of course it is. Ridership on the new rail line was also expected to be high. Demand on the existing Hiawatha line from Milwaukee to Chicago continues to climb, and we have NO new trains to deal with it.

Still want to argue the right-wing talking points that rail would have been a "boondoggle" and huge waste of funds? Walker just signed a bill which hands over $250 MILLION in taxpayer money to build a new arena for the Bucks. If you count the interest over 20 years, it ultimately will cost taxpayers $400 MILLION.

How many Wisconsinites do you think supported that? How many Wisconsinites have ever BEEN to a Bucks game?

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Re: High speed rail

Postby rabble » Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:20 pm

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Re: High speed rail

Postby gozer » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:26 am

snoqueen wrote:This pro-business act is starting to wear thin. It's ironic the state should claim it's open for business while refusing to pay its existing businesses for service rendered.

No wonder our growth rate is less than our neighboring states. Who would move their operations here?


what a fucken knob.
what shall we call this, passive-aggressive budgeting?

would he have felt differently about the rail if the proposal was fairly saturated with pictures and videos of the trains going into tunnels? or would that get him riled up? what a tool.

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Re: High speed rail

Postby bdog » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:02 am

rabble wrote:Image


http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/11/why-the-us-will-not-get-chinas-high-speed-rail/66863/

Moreover, the Chinese government does not have to worry unduly about things like environmental impact and acquiring the right of way. For truly high speed rail, you need a long straightaway with few curves or inclines. That means it's very important to lay the rail in the best possible path, or near it. Trying to do this between, say, New York and Chicago would mean approximately a century of court battles with homeowners, environmental groups, local NIMBYs, and sundry others. Moreover, many desirable routes are occupied by our enormous network of highways, and only someone with a very rich fantasy life could believe that we are going to rip out the highways to put in a rail network.

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Re: High speed rail

Postby DCB » Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:25 am

bdog wrote:
only someone with a very rich fantasy life could believe that we are going to rip out the highways to put in a rail network.

A girl can dream, can't she?


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