Viva Freedom From Religion Foundation!

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Re: Viva Freedom From Religion Foundation!

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:22 pm

Igor wrote:Jefferson often attended church services held in the capitol building. He did not have a problem with this situation because the services were not compulsory.
I don't have a problem with this either. (As long as after the service, everyone is deported or shipped off to a concentration camp, of course. :roll: ) It's worth noting, however, that there weren't a lot of other options for places of worship in D.C. in Jefferson's day and that no single denomination had a monopoly on those services. (They were all Christian, of course, but lots of different kinds of preachers were invited to participate.)

Igor wrote:Well, it is pretty clear that most people seem to feel that Thomas Jefferson's feelings on the 1st amendment are the definitive word. Let's assume this is the case.

Actually, let's not assume that.
I am on record here on TDPF many times saying that the hero worship of the founding fathers is a mistake (and something they would never have supported). Which isn't to say I don't think Jefferson was a great American, a great thinker, and a great man in general. I do. But his opinions are not relevant (or at least shouldn't be) to how we choose to interpret the Consitution and enact laws in 2014. To be blunt, it is impossible for me to take seriously anyone who suggests the moral arbiter of our nation is someone who owned slaves. So while I think Jefferson's views on the 1st are interesting, the reason I believe there should be a separation of church and state is because I've thought about it in the light of the 20th and 21st centuries, not because Jefferson said so. (It's also worth noting that Jefferson had nothing to do with the writing of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, as he was in France at the time. So even if you want to argue from a position of what the Framers' intent was, Jefferson wasn't technically one of them.)

Sidenote to Igor: In case you didn't notice, I've started up the CD Project again. So please come on by -- it's awfully dead in there.

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Re: Viva Freedom From Religion Foundation!

Postby Igor » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:09 am

Sidenote to Igor: In case you didn't notice, I've started up the CD Project again. So please come on by -- it's awfully dead in there. [/quote]

I did see your latest post- I just don't have enough depth of knowledge of the recently covered acts to offer cogent analysis, or more likely, tangential comments . By way of comparison, my last three CDs purchased were from Drivin n Cryin, Seventh Key, and (ironically for this thread) Stryper. Even as a Christian and metal fan, I always disliked Stryper. I didn't like the bible throwing, and they dressed like a marginally less pathetic Poison. However, their recent song "No More Hell To Pay" sounded really good to me, so I gave it a shot. Turns out they have chops undimmed by age and loose living. Obviously not recommended for someone that hates the whole hair metal genre, but if you can separate the good (Tesla, Cinderella, some Dokken) from the bad (most everything else) that song or CD may be of interest.

Not sure where our interests will intersect in "F". Foghat? Follow For Now? Foreigner? I am guessing you are headed more towards Fitzgerald, Franklin, and Fugazi.

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Re: Viva Freedom From Religion Foundation!

Postby green union terrace chair » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:02 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:On a related issue, do the Pastafarians have their own holy book? If so, it should be a cookbook. I hope it contains a recipe for a hamburger made from ground bison meat served along with squid ink rotini. I call it buffalo burger, dreadlock pasta.

Henry, if you came up with this, I commend you. I hope it gets in this week's paper.

On the topic at hand, this is another example of FFRF being technically correct, but effectively a bunch of whiny sadsacks looking for something to be upset about.

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Re: Viva Freedom From Religion Foundation!

Postby wack wack » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:18 pm

green union terrace chair wrote:On the topic at hand, this is another example of FFRF being technically correct, but effectively a bunch of whiny sadsacks looking for something to be upset about.


It's about damned time they get down in the dirt with their opponents; the high road isn't getting them anywhere.

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Re: Viva Freedom From Religion Foundation!

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:41 pm

green union terrace chair wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:On a related issue, do the Pastafarians have their own holy book? If so, it should be a cookbook. I hope it contains a recipe for a hamburger made from ground bison meat served along with squid ink rotini. I call it buffalo burger, dreadlock pasta.

Henry, if you came up with this, I commend you.

Yes. And now to stake my claim: buffalo burger, dreadlock pasta©

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Re: Viva Freedom From Religion Foundation!

Postby Detritus » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:21 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
green union terrace chair wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:On a related issue, do the Pastafarians have their own holy book? If so, it should be a cookbook. I hope it contains a recipe for a hamburger made from ground bison meat served along with squid ink rotini. I call it buffalo burger, dreadlock pasta.

Henry, if you came up with this, I commend you.

Yes. And now to stake my claim: buffalo burger, dreadlock pasta©

You can't copyright a recipe. Better trademark the name quick, though!

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Re: Viva Freedom From Religion Foundation!

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:29 pm

OK, one more. Buffalo Burger, Dreadlock Pasta™

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Re: Viva Freedom From Religion Foundation!

Postby you must be joking » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:27 pm

david cohen wrote:
Sandi wrote:And maybe when all that is done, you can have all Christians deported, or put in concentration camps.



Listen you old bat, when someone actually rounds up and slaughters YOUR relatives because of their religion, we'll talk. Until then, take your Alzheimers meds and STFU.



David,

Wow, what a great non argument! Is that all you've got? Seriously, if you are going to rest your case on 1st grade name calling then please do us all a favor and find a forum that supports your obviously limited powers of persuasion. Or find an argument that is cogent and present us with facts, not name calling.

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Re: Viva Freedom From Religion Foundation!

Postby david cohen » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:54 pm

Godwin's Law.........YOU must be joking

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Re: Viva Freedom From Religion Foundation!

Postby Stu Levitan » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:47 pm

Joker, you DO realize that those of us who DID have relatives carted off to concentration and death camps might take some umbrage at Sandi's comments, right?

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Re: Viva Freedom From Religion Foundation!

Postby Mad Howler » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:38 pm

Stu Levitan wrote:Joker, you DO realize that those of us who DID have relatives carted off to concentration and death camps might take some umbrage at Sandi's comments, right?

Whether we like it or not,
'Religion' is a part of OUR human experience.
History teaches us that this experience is often brutal.
We are not required to let it be this way.
Nor are WE required to attend to our lives through a religious lens.

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Re: Viva Freedom From Religion Foundation!

Postby manoletters » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:15 pm

I will be suspending my tirades, diatribes and histrionics against Big Religion and other silly superstitions until March 20th. Reason? The Sun is (hooray!) in my native astrological sign of Aquarius. Even better, the Moon is in Libra right now. Cross your fingers...
Mike Malloy, with his Wednesday "Church Night" rants, will make a fine substitute in my absence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXsEs-buOIw

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Re: Viva Freedom From Religion Foundation!

Postby you must be joking » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:52 am

Stu Levitan wrote:Joker, you DO realize that those of us who DID have relatives carted off to concentration and death camps might take some umbrage at Sandi's comments, right?



Stu,

To answer your question succinctly; while over in Europe a number of years ago I walked around at the Dachau Concentration Camp. There for the first time I saw the power of the State to kill their own people. I saw the ovens, the fences the front gate with the cruel sign "Work makes you free" on it . I walked around on ground that I knew other humans just like me had been walked to their deaths.
For more information on State sponsored murder of their people and the people of other nations please follow the link provided. http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/

Sad, so sad what we humans do to each other in the name of any religion which includes Atheism. The reason I don’t like Atheism is because Atheism is the religion of the State. It is the religion of totalitarianism. It was the religion of Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Mao and a host of other despots.

After studying a great deal of history I have concluded that the nation states of the world have murdered more people in the history of the world than any religion could ever dream of. From the Egyptian’s to the modern times by the Nazi Socialists; the Communists of Russia, China, North Korea, Viet Nam, Cambodia, and Cuba, all worshiped their heads of state as God. These regimes have shown that once man becomes his own God, then the most powerful one among them, the leader of the state becomes God.

That is why it can be shown that with the knowledge and understanding of history of their time, the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights did not want a national religion. What they desired instead was that all men could be of any religion they wanted; to worship or not to worship, according to the dictates of their own conscious.

That is why Sandi's point remains valid. It is history that has shown that any State ruled by a man who believes himself God, will eventually turn on those who believe in any other God and kill them. That would include Christians, Jews, Musslims, Buddists, and so on.

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Godless cities in america

Postby jackisonian » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:03 am

It is not Madison, take that Bill OReilly. Look out in Green Bay/Appleton looks like they have been reading the Cook Book and not the Good Book.

http://nation.time.com/2014/01/22/godle ... n-america/

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Re: Viva Freedom From Religion Foundation!

Postby gozer » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:00 am

my organisation would like to put copies of fear & loathing in las vegas in hotel rooms.


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