Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

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Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:26 pm

While only limited statewide vouchers are proposed, Wisconsin's governor has veto powers that can eliminate words in a budget bill. I spoke of that danger in a now locked thread. Today the Cap Times bring up that very subject.

With the stroke of his veto pen, Walker could simply cross out those limits when the budget lands on his desk. Although the broad power of the Wisconsin gubernatorial veto has been curtailed somewhat in the past few decades, it remains an effective way to fundamentally rewrite legislation.

Although Walker has been publicly supportive of the voucher deal, his original expansion plan did not cap enrollment after the second year, though it did limit the program to nine school districts. So, if he supports a much more ambitious expansion of school choice, will he exercise his gubernatorial prerogative on behalf of that goal?

Rep. Terese Berceau, D-Madison, says she wouldn't put it past him.

"I'm not privy to the man's inclinations. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if he did that," she said Monday.

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Re: Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

Postby bdog » Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:54 pm

The Frankenstein veto. I'm amazed it still exists.

It's a scary thing.

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Re: Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:06 pm

Tommy T had the Vanna White veto where he crossed out individual letters and digits, making new words or monetary amounts. That power was removed in a constitutional amendment. The Frankenstein veto remains. That still makes the Wisconsin governor one of the most powerful in the nation.

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Re: Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

Postby Meade » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:21 pm

If Walker leaves it as it is, let's see if Terese Berceau is woman enough to publicly apologize to the governor for her snark.

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Re: Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

Postby Steve Vokers » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:28 pm

He can use his line item veto to get rid of the limits, but there's still a constitutional requirement that the budget balances. So he'd have to come up with the money from somewhere else in the budget, which probably means reducing the size of the tax cuts.

I'm not convinced that he's willing to give up any of the tax cuts for this. I think they are playing the long game, where they'll just raise the limits in the next budget, and again in the one after that, and again after that...

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Re: Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

Postby gargantua » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:39 pm

He made this deal with members of his own party. I don't think he'd screw them. They have long memories.

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Re: Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

Postby Meade » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:50 pm

What won't surprise me is if Walker lines out the WCIJ b.s.
He should. (Not that Progs and Dems will show him any appreciation if he does.)

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Re: Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

Postby bdog » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:58 pm

Meade wrote:If Walker leaves, Terese Berceau is the governor.


The Frankenstein veto is fun!

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Re: Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:28 am

Who really is getting voucher money from Wisconsin taxpayers:

Democratic State Senate Minority Leader Chris Larson of Milwaukee and state Rep. Cory Mason of Racine said that many of the families getting vouchers could pay, or have paid, private school tuition on their own, and are now just shifting their costs to the state.

“If people are given the opportunity to have their private school tuition subsidized, they will take that opportunity,” Mason said.

Indeed, about 50 percent of students using vouchers in Racine had never attended Racine public schools, according to DPI figures.

“Racine was never aided for those students, but now taxpayers are paying for their education through the private school voucher program,” said DPI spokesman Patrick Gasper.

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Re: Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

Postby gargantua » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:35 am

I attended a parochial school back in the 60's, and even then, getting public support was a dream of parochial school leaders. I still remember Monsignor Kinney coming to our class and using the chalkboard to show us sixth graders how much each of us attending St. Ray's was saving the public school system.

You're welcome!

(Kidding - somehow he chose not to mention our attendance at St. Ray's was voluntary.)

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Re: Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

Postby kiwiwannabe » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:25 pm

No surprise here - wonder where Walker's kids go to school? Off to see if I can find it anywhere.......

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Re: Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:40 pm

Wauwatosa East High School, at least they did. Not sure if they graduated yet.

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Re: Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

Postby barney » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:13 pm

Can vouchers be used for parochial schools?
Not that I support vouchers at all, but the idea of my tax dollars going to religious education makes it even worse.
How long before this goes to court?

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Re: Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:22 pm

barney wrote:Can vouchers be used for parochial schools?
Not that I support vouchers at all, but the idea of my tax dollars going to religious education makes it even worse.
How long before this goes to court?



as far as seperation of church and state? Over 11 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelman_v._Simmons-Harris

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Re: Vouchers, line item veto and public schools

Postby Michael Patrick » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:22 pm

barney wrote:Can vouchers be used for parochial schools?
Not that I support vouchers at all, but the idea of my tax dollars going to religious education makes it even worse.
How long before this goes to court?


Voucher schools teach creationism, and Wisconsin taxpayers foot the bill


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