Invitation to Cornbread

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Re: Invitation to Cornbread

Postby ArturoBandini » Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:34 pm

jjoyce wrote:The national health care act is "socialist," even though it's not and is nearly identical to health care initiatives proposed or enacted by conservatives like Tommy Thompson and Mitt Romney.
Leaving aside the question of whether the ACA is "socialist" or not (to some degree yes, mostly no), the above statement is not sound logic. Just because a Republican once proposed something does not mean that it is or is not a socialist policy, or a policy that includes socialist elements. There are many dimensions of political thought, and the average executive Republican policy platform and lowercase-"s" socialism are not polar opposites, regardless of how much those Republicans claim the contrary.

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Re: Invitation to Cornbread

Postby snoqueen » Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:58 pm

I think when Joyce wrote that (socialist in quotes) he was mocking Cornbread, not stating his own belief.

Maybe that's also what you (Arturo) thought Joyce meant, though I can't tell from your posting.

Of course there are many dimensions of political thought (along with great depths of political mindlessness) and of course some legislation proposed by Republicans can indeed contain elements of socialism. I've said it before: a lot of this labeling is counterproductive because people react to the labels instead of reading and discussing the content.

Which is why we see so much labeling going on, of course: for distraction.

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Re: Invitation to Cornbread

Postby ArturoBandini » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:17 pm

My interpretation was that jjoyce thinks that cornbread's head would explode if he had to openly acknowledge that a Republican with a household name once supported a policy that is now commonly labeled as "socialist". Whether or not cornbread's head explodes, it's a silly point to make and doesn't advance the actual policy discussion whatsoever.

I'm not sure that labeling is entirely useless or counterproductive. It only stings when the most effective labels aren't the ones that you identify with. For the average voter (or "consumer", "civilian", "individual"), stepping up to the overflowing buffet of labels a low-accuracy but cheap way to process large amounts of information. I'd wager that, for most people, understanding a sufficient number of policy arguments (for instance, the average congressional campaign platform) at a level deeper than talking points is too time consuming and thus not worthwhile relative to other pursuits like working, eating or spending time with family. Admittedly, this interpretation plays right into my preferred narrative that the government is entirely too large and has invaded into all sorts of social arenas where government policy should have no role at all.

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Re: Invitation to Cornbread

Postby Mad Howler » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:29 pm

Cornbread wrote:
Meade wrote:How was Stu's radio show today? Anyone listen?

I doubt it. I wasn't on. ;)
But to make this a productive day, we got to try out a new wheelchair! I'm going to get a welder to make a rack for it, but other than that, it's pretty portable.


Ya know I did check into Stu's show this weekend, and found the discussion interesting. At least I found a positive in this nonsense. Otherwise the relevance of this thread has collapsed for this camper.

p.s. maize de la macha; enjoy you tricked out walker.

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Re: Invitation to Cornbread

Postby Stu Levitan » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:51 am

Mad Howler wrote:Ya know I did check into Stu's show this weekend, and found the discussion interesting. At least I found a positive in this nonsense. Otherwise the relevance of this thread has collapsed for this camper.


Thanks! Next week, David Maraniss, live in-studio.

So, to recap: A 2-time Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist/author finds it worth his time to come to the studio (his 4th appearance on my show). Cornbread, not so much.

Go figure.

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Re: Invitation to Cornbread

Postby Peanutbutter » Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:00 am

How many conservatives other than Cornbread have been invited to speak on Stu's public access show? How many have actually appeared?

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Re: Invitation to Cornbread

Postby Bert Ernie » Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:23 am

Peanutbutter wrote:How many conservatives other than Cornbread have been invited to speak on Stu's public access show? How many have actually appeared?


Help me understand why that's important or relevant.

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Re: Invitation to Cornbread

Postby O.J. » Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:29 am

Stu Levitan: Conservampire Hunter

Let this be a warning to ya'll(sic), corncracker and peanutbrittle.

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Re: Invitation to Cornbread

Postby Stu Levitan » Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:49 am

Peanutbutter wrote:How many conservatives other than Cornbread have been invited to speak on Stu's public access show? How many have actually appeared?


It's not public access. You're thinking of WORT. I'm on Clear Channel Radio. I haven't had a show on WORT since I did the morning show in early 1980s.

The day Cornie was too busy, lead guest was Bay Buchanan. You know, Pat's sister. We spoke for over an hour, aired 45 mins yesterday, the rest on upcoming show. I think she qualifies as "conservative," yes?

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Re: Invitation to Cornbread

Postby Earthling » Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:27 pm

So, to recap: A 2-time Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist/author finds it worth his time to come to the studio (his 4th appearance on my show). Cornbread, not so much.


Let's be fair here Stu:

Part of why many use this forum is the annonymity it provides. Especially those of us "conservatives" living in Madison. Generally speaking it's not the best idea to go around advertizing that in this town. I imagine I'd accept an invivation to be on your show if it ever came up in the real world, but I doubt you'd ever invite the real life me to appear. But on TDPF I have a voice. Albeit not a popular one.

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Re: Invitation to Cornbread

Postby Ducatista » Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:52 pm

Earthling wrote:Especially those of us "conservatives" living in Madison. Generally speaking it's not the best idea to go around advertizing that in this town.

Worried some juicehead liberal is going to go all rage-y on yer ass?

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Re: Invitation to Cornbread

Postby Bert Ernie » Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:17 pm

Earthling wrote:Let's be fair here Stu:

Part of why many use this forum is the annonymity it provides. Especially those of us "conservatives" living in Madison. Generally speaking it's not the best idea to go around advertizing that in this town. I imagine I'd accept an invivation to be on your show if it ever came up in the real world, but I doubt you'd ever invite the real life me to appear. But on TDPF I have a voice. Albeit not a popular one.


You really feel you have to be a "closet conservative" to live here in Madison? Are you truly so afraid that you feel someone discovering your identity would lead to some type of trouble or pain for you? Seems kind of silly to me (although there is a growing body of research that suggests that -- in general -- conservatives are more fearful than liberals). What TRULY happens to Corn if he is "outed" on Stu's show? My guess? He either puts his tail between his legs and stops being such an ass and engages in real, meaningful, constructive discussion, or he IS indeed discovered for being the ass that he is here.

Sad you live in so much fear that you feel you can't actually discuss your political opinions in public -- face to face -- and perhaps learn and grow. I have plenty of conservative friends -- right here in Madison!! -- who aren't afraid to BE themselves in public!

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Re: Invitation to Cornbread

Postby Earthling » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:26 pm

Bert Ernie wrote:
Earthling wrote:Let's be fair here Stu:

Part of why many use this forum is the annonymity it provides. Especially those of us "conservatives" living in Madison. Generally speaking it's not the best idea to go around advertizing that in this town. I imagine I'd accept an invivation to be on your show if it ever came up in the real world, but I doubt you'd ever invite the real life me to appear. But on TDPF I have a voice. Albeit not a popular one.


You really feel you have to be a "closet conservative" to live here in Madison? Are you truly so afraid that you feel someone discovering your identity would lead to some type of trouble or pain for you? Seems kind of silly to me (although there is a growing body of research that suggests that -- in general -- conservatives are more fearful than liberals). What TRULY happens to Corn if he is "outed" on Stu's show? My guess? He either puts his tail between his legs and stops being such an ass and engages in real, meaningful, constructive discussion, or he IS indeed discovered for being the ass that he is here.

Sad you live in so much fear that you feel you can't actually discuss your political opinions in public -- face to face -- and perhaps learn and grow. I have plenty of conservative friends -- right here in Madison!! -- who aren't afraid to BE themselves in public!


I suppose it depends on what your professional life entails. In my line of work I would alienating people by coming forward with my political beliefs. With the exception of my close friends and family most I associate with don't know which way I lean. I wouldn't say that I'm fearful in the sense that my life would be in danger or anything, but it certainly would be uncomfortable. I've seen pretty crappy things happen to people in public who choose to divulge they are conservative.

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Re: Invitation to Cornbread

Postby scratch » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:30 pm

Earthling wrote:I suppose it depends on what your professional life entails. In my line of work I would alienating people by coming forward with my political beliefs. With the exception of my close friends and family most I associate with don't know which way I lean. I wouldn't say that I'm fearful in the sense that my life would be in danger or anything, but it certainly would be uncomfortable. I've seen pretty crappy things happen to people in public who choose to divulge they are conservative.


And some of those pretty crappy things would be... what?

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Re: Invitation to Cornbread

Postby rabble » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:47 pm

They lose their cushy high paying columns in the local tabloids. People call them names in forums. They're forced to become annoying radio personallities.

I've seen it. It's horrible.


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