U.S. Senate - next big local election

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Re: U.S. Senate - next big local election

Postby Huckleby » Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:47 am

I frequently get offers for credit cards in the mail, and I always assumed it was because I am a white male.

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Re: U.S. Senate - next big local election

Postby jman111 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:49 am

Sorry, bdog, maybe I should have put it this way:

bdog thinks that all white males are born with equal advantage?????

Noted for posterity.

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Re: U.S. Senate - next big local election

Postby bdog » Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:54 am

Jman, of course not. That's the point I'm trying to make to Henry.

He probably does have a point in Hovde's case. But Henry has too often used the "born on 3rd base" line. It's a bit like crying wolf.

But perhaps I protest too much.

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Re: U.S. Senate - next big local election

Postby jman111 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:57 am

Perhaps I'd agree.
Henry Vilas wrote:Notice I never made that claim about Tommy or Scotty.

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Re: U.S. Senate - next big local election

Postby bdog » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:13 pm

rabble wrote:
Meade wrote:
rabble wrote:Yeah. A retired teacher. Born on third base. Thinks he hit a triple. Had the same privileges as a kid born to millionaires.

It really is a great country, isn't it.

If your wife is paying the bills I bet it's an even greater country.

But I wouldn't know.

But you know how to make sexist remarks.

Clap. Clap. Clap.

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Re: U.S. Senate - next big local election

Postby jman111 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:19 pm

Sexist? Why, because of the word "wife"?
What if the statement included "spouse" or "mate" or "partner" instead?
bdog wrote:perhaps I protest too much.

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Re: U.S. Senate - next big local election

Postby rabble » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:20 pm

bdog wrote:But you know how to make sexist remarks.

Clap. Clap. Clap.

Yeah. It's not sexist at all to live off your spouse.

Oh, that's it! I should have said "spouse!" Damn. I'm sorry. I'll be more careful when I accuse a sponger of sponging.

Or would "If your partner is paying the bills I bet it's an even greater country" have been more appropriate? I want to get it right. Because when I accuse somebody of living off somebody else, I definitely want to be correct.

Woops. I forgot "mate." Thanks, j.
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Re: U.S. Senate - next big local election

Postby Earthling » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:20 pm

Don't you think that there are degrees of advantage or privilege? Is being born with "advantage" an all-or-nothing proposition?


How do you figure that this is the issue at bar? How about asking these questions if you'd like to truly identify the most important questions you should be asking yourself as it pertains to privilege: Does being born into a "privileged" home automatically mean that you can't identify with those who are less fortunate? Does it automatically mean that you don't understand the value of hard work and possess no true work ethic of your own? Is it mandatory that your president not be wealthy? If so why is a wealthy president automatically a bad thing?

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Re: U.S. Senate - next big local election

Postby jman111 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:29 pm

Earthling wrote:
Don't you think that there are degrees of advantage or privilege? Is being born with "advantage" an all-or-nothing proposition?


How do you figure that this is the issue at bar?

I thought I made that pretty clear. But I'll recap, with emphasis:
rabble wrote:Yeah. A retired teacher. Born on third base. Thinks he hit a triple. Had the same privileges as a kid born to millionaires.
bdog wrote:You don't think a white male like Henry Vilas, or you, or me, had advantages soley due to our race and gender?????

Noted for posterity.

Vilas, rabble, me: we've all had it handed to us on a silver platter.



And...
Earthling wrote: How about asking these questions if you'd like to truly identify the most important questions you should be asking yourself as it pertains to privilege...

"Should be"? How about deciding for ourselves what questions we'd prefer to ask, okay?

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Re: U.S. Senate - next big local election

Postby FJD » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:44 pm

Earthling wrote:Does being born into a "privileged" home automatically mean that you can't identify with those who are less fortunate? Does it automatically mean that you don't understand the value of hard work and possess no true work ethic of your own? Is it mandatory that your president not be wealthy? If so why is a wealthy president automatically a bad thing?


Historically, it doesn't appear that wealth is a road block to a president being in touch with the needs of the working class or having a work ethic.

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Re: U.S. Senate - next big local election

Postby Earthling » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:48 pm

It's pretty obvious what you're interested in doing. Funny how if we make a prejudgement about a protected class in this society immediately it's deemed as prejudice/racist. But if we make a negative prejudgement about a rich white man it's viewed as just and proper.

Does it matter that we had advantages growing up as it pertains to our ability to be leaders? Absolutely not it doesn't. What matters is who is going to do the best job. But your way of thinking obviously resonates with many. Afterall I'm pretty sure that's how we eneded up with a lame duck president who's done virtually nothing since being elected, except of course for blaming the administration before him for his shortcomings.

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Re: U.S. Senate - next big local election

Postby jman111 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:04 pm

Earthling wrote:But your way of thinking...

Your powers amaze me.
What am I thinking now?


How about.....NOW?

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Re: U.S. Senate - next big local election

Postby lukpac » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:20 pm

Earthling wrote:Does being born into a "privileged" home automatically mean that you can't identify with those who are less fortunate? Does it automatically mean that you don't understand the value of hard work and possess no true work ethic of your own? Is it mandatory that your president not be wealthy? If so why is a wealthy president automatically a bad thing?


Who is saying any of those things are *automatically* true?

And something can still be true in certain cases without being *automatically* true, right?

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Re: U.S. Senate - next big local election

Postby bdog » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:25 pm

jman111 wrote:
Earthling wrote:But your way of thinking...

Your powers amaze me.
What am I thinking now?


How about.....NOW?

Who was William O. Douglas?

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