New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

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Re: New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

Postby Rich Schultz » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:09 pm

Voter ID was not in effect this election and you still got your butt kicked.

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Re: New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

Postby peripat » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:11 pm

So you're assuming that win was due to massive fraud?

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Re: New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

Postby Rich Schultz » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:17 pm

I'm assuming your suckers easily distracted by meaningless issues, please continue.

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Re: New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

Postby Stebben84 » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:21 pm

Rich Schultz wrote:I'm assuming your suckers easily distracted by meaningless issues, please continue.


If you mean meaningless issues like voter fraud then yes.

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Re: New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

Postby Stebben84 » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:22 pm

Rich Schultz wrote:Voter ID was not in effect this election and you still got your butt kicked.


You know what's so goddamn amusing. The assumption by conservatives that if voter fraud exists, it's only democrats doing it. When you have some proof, lay it on me. Otherwise, Shut the fuck up.

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Re: New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

Postby peripat » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:36 pm

Oh heck, at least he admitted voter fraud is a meaningless issue.

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Re: New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

Postby Woofer » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:37 pm

Look, the Legislature can certainly seek to require voter ID... but if they want to do that, they better get busy amending the Wisconsin Constitution, because that's the only path forward on the initiative.

Our Constitution (as has been noted here and elsewhere umpteen times) is relatively unique in that it spells out what specific circumstances have to be in effect in order for the legislature to pass a law that excludes people from the right of suffrage. I'll quote it (Article III, Sec. 2 [4]) verbatim for the lazy: "Laws may be enacted... excluding from the right of suffrage persons: Convicted of a felony, unless restored to civil rights; Adjudged by a court to be incompetent or partially incompetent, unless the judgment specifies that the person is capable of understanding the objective of the elective process or the judgment is set aside." Notably missing from that list is "persons not in possession of a goddamn photo ID." (You ask me, whoever wrote this clause of our Constitution must've been a leftist.)

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Re: New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

Postby jman111 » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:04 pm

Woofer wrote:Look, the Legislature can certainly seek to require voter ID... but if they want to do that, they better get busy amending the Wisconsin Constitution, because that's the only path forward on the initiative.
Let's just hope that among Prosser, Roggensack, Ziegler and Gableman, there is at least one who agrees with you.
Section 2 also allows laws to be enacted "defining residency" and "providing for registration of electors". I think it is foolish to presume that legal arguments defending Voter ID requirements haven't already been formulated specifically utilizing those allowances.

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Re: New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

Postby snoqueen » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:55 pm

Voter ID was not in effect this election and you still got your butt kicked.


The obvious conclusion is voter ID isn't worth bothering with because any possible fraud was too small to make a difference in the outcome. Quite possibly we have grounds for agreement on this issue.

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Re: New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

Postby Rich Schultz » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:23 pm

The obvious conclusion is when you lose by 7 points you might want to consider focusing on something other than the handful of old ladies who don't have a picture ID.

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Re: New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

Postby snoqueen » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:26 pm

Everyone deserves to be able to vote, even people you think are worthless.

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Re: New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:36 pm

Rich Schultz wrote:... the handful of old ladies who don't have a picture ID.

Way to minimize the problem. How big is your hand, as there are thousands of Wisconsinites who don't possess a picture ID? My mother never did. And there are many more who used to have a DL but since they no longer drive, their expired licenses would not count under the Voter ID law.

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Re: New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

Postby Rich Schultz » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:53 pm

So what's losing worth?

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Re: New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:04 pm

What's trolling worth?

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Re: New Pro-Walker Voter Suppression

Postby Wino » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:09 pm

Rich Schultz wrote:The obvious conclusion is when you lose by 7 points you might want to consider focusing on something other than the handful of old ladies who don't have a picture ID.

I've always been more concerned with what happens after the voting has concluded.
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