This Solomon situation

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Re: This Solomon situation

Postby bdog » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:09 pm

Meade wrote:Solomon: Accuser a subordinate

I don't think that is true.

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Re: This Solomon situation

Postby lukpac » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:12 pm

Well, that isn't how it played out.

First of all, Solomon's accuser isn't a subordinate.

Second, the accusations against Prosser were public before there was any investigation. In Solomon's case, little was known other than he was under investigation...for something. When details emerged, it was already decided that he wouldn't be charged.

Third, what happened in each situation was a lot different.

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Re: This Solomon situation

Postby bdog » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:14 pm

snoqueen wrote:How is trying to choke somebody equivalent to having sex with somebody who publicly regretted it later but gave no indication at the time that she was having regrets?

Nice spin Sno. What part of "You were not choked" (statement by an eyewitness) do you not understand? And it's quite obvious you have no clue of the dynamics of the sexual assault that might have occurred in this situation.

But that's really not the point either.

Innocent until proven guilty ring a bell with anyone here? The silence by Subeck et al towards Solomon is appropriate. Perhaps they learned something after their Prosser gaffe.

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Re: This Solomon situation

Postby David Blaska » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:17 pm

snoqueen wrote:How is trying to choke somebody equivalent to having sex with somebody who publicly regretted it later but gave no indication at the time that she was having regrets? I'm with those who say this should be a drunk-driving discussion instead of a sex/regrets thing.


Is that what the prosecutor in the Solomon case said, that it was a "sex/regrets thing?" (The answer is no, Snoqueen.) Is that the Prog spin?

The prosecutor in the Solomon case said she believed a crime had been committed but would have too much difficulty proving it.

The prosecutor in the Prosser-Walsh case said no such thing, only that she would prosecute neither person (and actually named Anne Walsh Bradley first).

So, Lukepac, the call for Prosser to resign in the midst of an investigation was the right call but the non-call, the deafening silence in the Solomon case after the facts are in is justified?

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Re: This Solomon situation

Postby Meade » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:22 pm

bdog wrote:
Meade wrote:Solomon: Accuser a subordinate

I don't think that is true.


Thank you. Correction: Solomon: Accuser a staff member.

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Re: This Solomon situation

Postby David Blaska » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:27 pm

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Re: This Solomon situation

Postby Meade » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:27 pm

bdog wrote:The silence by Subeck et al towards Solomon is appropriate. Perhaps they learned something after their Prosser gaffe.


If this is true, then Subeck et al. owe David Prosser a public apology. Blaska wrote a blog post about that, something like Where Does Justice Prosser Go To Get Back His Reputation?

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Re: This Solomon situation

Postby bdog » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:29 pm

Meade wrote:
bdog wrote:The silence by Subeck et al towards Solomon is appropriate. Perhaps they learned something after their Prosser gaffe.


If this is true, then Subeck et al. owe David Prosser a public apology. Blaska wrote a blog post about that, something like Where Does Justice Prosser Go To Get Back His Reputation?


Heh, I wouldn't go that far. The guy's still a major league asshole. And so is Solomon. IMHO, of course.

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Re: This Solomon situation

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Re: This Solomon situation

Postby lukpac » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:54 pm

David Blaska wrote:So, Lukepac


Who?

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Re: This Solomon situation

Postby David Blaska » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:59 pm

Lukpac called for intentional grounding!

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Re: This Solomon situation

Postby David Blaska » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:25 pm

LUKPAC, and all other Progs, bumping and simplifying the question:

It was the right call for Prosser to resign in the midst of an investigation before all the facts were in?

But standing by Ald. Solomon case after the facts are in and the prosecutor says he is a victimizer is also justified?

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Re: This Solomon situation

Postby Madsci » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:43 pm

I already said my goodbyes to Brian and Elena. Would you all be happy if we just let David choke Brian?

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Re: This Solomon situation

Postby lukpac » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:06 pm

David Blaska wrote:LUKPAC, and all other Progs, bumping and simplifying the question:

It was the right call for Prosser to resign in the midst of an investigation before all the facts were in?

But standing by Ald. Solomon case after the facts are in and the prosecutor says he is a victimizer is also justified?


Once again, two different situations that can't be directly compared. The story in the Solomon case didn't come out until it was announced no charges would be brought. On the other hand, the Prosser situation was similar to a lot of others where inflammatory information (complete, correct or otherwise) was public before an investigation, prosecution, or conviction. The fact that Prosser has a history of angry behavior didn't exactly help his situation in the public eye.

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Re: This Solomon situation

Postby David Blaska » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:19 pm

lukpac wrote:Once again, two different situations that can't be directly compared. The story in the Solomon case didn't come out until it was announced no charges would be brought.



lukpac, that is a complete falsehood. The story on Solomon came out in December 2010 -- BEFORE the allegations about Prosser! Here is the Dec. 30, 2010 headline: "Ald. Brian Solomon under investigation by state Department of Justice." The very next day the follow-up ran: "State is investigating Ald. Solomon for alleged sexual assault."

Which still begs the question: the prosector in the Solomon case pointed the finger of wrong-doing, unlike the prosecutor in the Prosser-Bradley case. Wrong on the facts, hypocritical in the analysis.


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