David Blaska wrote:
kurt_w wrote:OK, Mr Blaska. Two questions:
(1) Do you think abortion is murder? (I'm assuming that your answer is "Yes", since earlier in this thread you directly analogized abortion to the Nazi death camps. But it would be helpful if you would just give a direct answer).
(2) What do you think is an appropriate punishment for mothers who hire someone to murder their children?
Straight answers, without [childish insult deleted]
1) Abortion does take a human life; the life (admittedly at an early stage) is human, not vegetable or animal. Murder is a particular term in criminal law. And we do have penalties for those who kill a fetus. Statute 940.195
also penalizes battery to an unborn child.
That's not a "straight answer".
If we consider a hypothetical case where Peter Psycho walks into a hospital room and kills a 1-month-old baby, we can all agree that it's murder. Same thing if the victim is 95 years old, 18 years old, whatever. (Ignoring, for the sake of argument, various exceptions involving self-defense, warfare, etc.) The age of the victim doesn't matter.
Now, a straight answer to my question would be something like "Yes"
(meaning Mr Blaska puts aborting a minus-eight-month old fetus in the same category as killing a one-month old, 18-year-old, or 95-year-old) or "No"
(meaning that Mr Blaska does not put abortion in the same category as killing a one-month old, 18-year-old, or 95-year-old).
2) I don't know; perhaps only moral dissuasion. A statute need not provide a penalty. (Incidentally, most Americans are now pro-life.) Kurt, interesting that you use the term "mothers."
I used the term "mothers" because I want to know what punishment you would consider appropriate for a mother of an actual, non-fetal child who hires a hit-man to murder her offspring.
Many anti-abortion people like to employ the claim that "Abortion is murder!" Yet virtually all people reject the proposal of treating women who obtain abortions in exactly the same way as we would treat a woman who murdered her child, or who paid someone else to murder her child.
18 U.S.C. 1958 states that "murder for hire" is subject to the death penalty. Roughly 30% of American women will have an abortion by age 45 (source
To be honest, I don't
think that most people who claim "abortion is murder!" really want to imprison or execute 30% of the women in the United States. In other words, they don't
genuinely believe that "abortion is murder". They just want to get the rhetorical advantage of claiming that their opponents support murder.