Today in voter suppression

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby rabble » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:29 pm

Stebben84 wrote:FUCKING REALLY? Do people really think this shit happens and if so has an impact. Bull....Shit.


Well, there's the thing. It boils down to one side thinking it is better to disenfranchise a few voters than it is to have one fraudulent vote and the other thinking it is better to have a few fraud votes than to have one vote suppressed.

Throw in the understanding that the disenfranchised votes are usually Democratic and hilarity ensues.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby ilikebeans » Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:08 pm

rabble wrote:It boils down to one side thinking it is better to disenfranchise a few voters than it is to have one fraudulent vote and the other thinking it is better to have a few fraud votes than to have one vote suppressed.

Except that Republican lawmakers don't really give two shits about fraudulent voting. That's the red herring to sell it to the public. If there were hundreds or thousands of fake votes that conveniently kept them in power, you wouldn't hear word one from them.

Here's a blurb from the same story in the Journal Sentinel:

He also held open the possibility lawmakers could call themselves back into the session — rather than having the governor do so — in what is known as extraordinary session.

Such a move could help ensure the voter ID requirement is in place for the November elections, when Walker will be on the ballot for re-election.

Special sessions, extraordinary sessions: Republicans do not take these kinds of measures unless it directly benefits themselves, their cronies, or their social class.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Zoti Bemba » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:16 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Walker told reporters Tuesday that he sees voter ID as the most "pressing" election-related issue facing Wisconsin, and would like it to be in place "before the next election."

He would have told the truth if instead he said "Wisconsin Republicans."


He would have told the truth if instead he said that he sees voter ID as the most pressing election-related non-issue facing Wisconsin. It's the non-issues where Republicans get to score all the points -- they make up non-facts, come up with non-solutions, and nobody notices anything else that gets slipped in under the torrent of hot air and fake outrage because most of us can't figure out why they're going on and on about something that really doesn't seem to be a problem and so eventually we stop paying attention. To our regret.

That said, they mess with my voting rights at their peril. Voting is something I take very, very seriously.

ilikebeans wrote:Special sessions, extraordinary sessions: Republicans do not take these kinds of measures unless it directly benefits themselves, their cronies, or their social class.

Given the wild aim of the past few "laser-like focus" special sessions I have got to assume that this one, should it come to pass, will have absolutely nothing to do with whatever voter ID requirements are invoked to call it into existence. There's no reason to expect that Governor Walker will play things any differently this time.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby rabble » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:10 am

ilikebeans wrote:
rabble wrote:It boils down to one side thinking it is better to disenfranchise a few voters than it is to have one fraudulent vote and the other thinking it is better to have a few fraud votes than to have one vote suppressed.

Except that Republican lawmakers don't really give two shits about fraudulent voting. That's the red herring to sell it to the public.

Correct. And it's working extremely well. Example: Sandi.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby jonnygothispen » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:33 am

http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2014/03/13/mu ... c-51379089

If you were concerned about making sure everyone in the state has a chance to vote, you might want to look at the quaint city of Delafield in Waukesha County, for a fine example. For the 2012 presidential election, it had just 4,975 registered voters. It has one place where voters who want to vote early can do so, and 26.4 percent of those voters, or 1,159 people, appeared in person to do so. There were no reports of any problems for these voters.

Compare this to the city of Milwaukee, which had 66 times more registered voters than Delafield, with a total of 328,202 such voters. You might think Milwaukee would have far more polling places where voters who wanted to vote early could do so, but you would be wrong. By state law, all early voters must appear at one place (the downtown municipal building) to vote early. And they must get there within a limited period of time: in 2011, Gov. Scott Walker and GOP lawmakers cut back the early-voting period from three weeks, including three weekends, to two weeks, including one weekend.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:41 am

Dale Schultz (R) is retiring from the Wisconsin Senate. In a parting shot to his own party, he takes them to task for their voter suppression efforts.

Wisconsin state Sen. Dale Schultz, R-Richland Center, will not ride off quietly into the sunset.

In an appearance on the Devil’s Advocate radio show (The Mic/92.1 FM) last week, Schultz told hosts Mike Crute and Dominic Salvia that his party’s support for a series of election law changes was indefensible.

“I am not willing to defend them anymore,” he explained when Salvia asked why Republicans sought to limit the number of voting hours a municipality could offer. “I’m just not and I’m embarrassed by this.”
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Last week, Schultz argued that there were no legitimate justifications for some of the election reforms pushed by Republicans.

“It’s all predicated on some belief there is a massive fraud or irregularities, something my colleagues have been hot on the trail for three years and have failed miserably at demonstrating,” he said.

However, the suggestion that his party holds a sincere but misguided belief constituted one of Schultz’s gentler criticisms of the GOP. He hinted that Republicans are trying to gain an electoral advantage by depressing voter turnout.

“It’s just sad when a political party has so lost faith in its ideas that it’s pouring all of its energy into election mechanics,” Schultz said. “We should be pitching as political parties our ideas for improving things in the future rather than mucking around in the mechanics and making it more confrontational at the voting sites and trying to suppress the vote.”

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:45 am

Wisconsin has the second highest turnout among the states in recent elections, so what does the GOP controlled Legislature do? It tries one more time to restrict voting. Walker signed the bill that limits the hours for absentee voting and bans weekend voting. Another lawsuit might be coming to stop the latest Republican attempt at voter suppression.

Meanwhile, the early voting bill has been getting plenty of ink nationally, most of it negative.

“Cursed With Nation’s Second-Highest Turnout Rate, Wisconsin Restricts Early Voting,” reads a headline from Slate writer David Weigel, who argued that the more extreme restriction on voting hours that passed the legislature was designed to be partially-vetoed by Walker, thereby allowing the governor to appear moderate.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby DCB » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:31 am

Sen. Tiffany is attacking voter fraud one person at a time. Better double-check your Facebook page, or he'll be on your case!

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Re: Today in voter suppression

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:33 pm

From the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

In Tuesday's decision, (U.S. District Judge Lynn) Adelman in Milwaukee found the state didn't have an appropriate rationale for imposing a voter ID requirement. In-person voter impersonation — the only type of fraud a voter ID law can prevent — is nonexistent or virtually nonexistent in Wisconsin, he wrote.

"Because virtually no voter impersonation occurs in Wisconsin and it is exceedingly unlikely that voter impersonation will become a problem in Wisconsin in the foreseeable future, this particular state interest has very little weight," he wrote.

"The defendants could not point to a single instance of known voter impersonation occurring in Wisconsin at any time in the recent past."

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby rabble » Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:44 pm

And Van Hollen vows to appeal. Of course.

So what are the next steps, assuming the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals also agrees with this revisionist leftist activist and all those other ists judge. What's after that?

How long is Van Hollen planning on hanging around? Didn't he say something a while ago about leaving?

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby ilikebeans » Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:21 pm

Some more details:

Assembly Speaker Robin Vos, R-Rochester, said Republican legislative leaders and the governor would do "whatever it takes" to implement voter ID. But he and Walker both stopped short of calling lawmakers back into session to fix the law, as they had vowed to do earlier.
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Sen. Mary Lazich, R-New Berlin, chairwoman of the Senate elections committee, said the state must appeal the decision.

"Voter ID ensures the age-old principle of one vote for one person," Lazich said. "My goal of transparent, open elections free from suspicion of fraud will not be deterred by judicial activism.”

There's your -ism / -ist, rabble. They're nothing if not predictable.

Reaction from candidates for attorney general broke along party lines, with Democratic hopeful Rep. Jon Richards praising the decision and Republican candidate Waukesha County District Attorney Brad Schimel saying he would appeal it, if elected.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:32 pm

The federal judge addressed GOP concerns about voter fraud (from my Journal Sentinel link)"

Adelman also expressed deep skepticism of Republican claims that voter ID laws combat fraud and instill confidence in voting systems. The debate around voter ID stirs up as much unwarranted fears about the likelihood of voter fraud as it does in making people more confident about how elections are run, he wrote.

Testimony from a prosecutor in the case at the most shows only that "cases of potential voter-impersonation fraud occur so infrequently that no rational person familiar with the relevant facts could be concerned about them," Adelman wrote.

Adelman wrote one would have to be "insane" to commit voter fraud because the penalties are so stiff and the potential gain so small. "The potential costs of perpetrating the fraud, which include a $10,000 fine and three years of imprisonment, are extremely high in comparison to the potential benefits, which would be nothing more than one additional vote for a preferred candidate (or one fewer vote for an opposing candidate), a vote which is unlikely to change the election's outcome," he wrote.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:45 pm

rabble wrote:And Van Hollen vows to appeal. Of course.

So what are the next steps, assuming the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals also agrees with this revisionist leftist activist and all those other ists judge. What's after that?

How long is Van Hollen planning on hanging around? Didn't he say something a while ago about leaving?



I'm not sure if the 7th will agree with him or not. I'm surprised he ventured away from the fact of the law disproportionately affected minorities and lower incomes. I think discussing the actual need for the law was poor legal thinking. Laws can exist absent any justification. Whether there is a need or not, if it takes away voting rights it should be tossed out, but he brought that into his decision which makes no sense. I wouldn't be shocked to see the case tossed back to him with instructions to ignore if there was a need for the law. Ultimately it would be the same results I assume.


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