Today in voter suppression

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby DCB » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:01 am

Vos maintained that it was best for legislators, who he said were accountable to the voters, to draw the lines.

If Vos really supported accountability, he wouldn't have allowed to be done in secret, by a private law firm. And we wouldn't have needed lawsuit to get them to turn over the documents, some of which were 'accidentally' destroyed.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby jonnygothispen » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:14 pm

Pro-Voter Legislation Denied Public Hearings by Republican-Dominated Election Committees

2-11-2014

11 bills limiting ballot access have received public hearings; United Wisconsin calls on committee chairs to hold hearings on 5 pro-voter bills.


http://www.unitedwisconsin.com/pro-vote ... committees

They allowed the 5 pro-voter bills, listed in detail in the link, to "stall in committee w/o public hearings."

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:39 pm

The Perkins plan takes voter suppression one giant step further.

Tom Perkins suggested Thursday that only taxpayers should have the right to vote -- and that wealthy Americans who pay more in taxes should get more votes.
The venture capitalist offered the unorthodox proposal when asked to name one idea that would "change the world" at a speaking engagement in San Francisco moderated by Fortune's Adam Lashinsky.

"The Tom Perkins system is: You don't get to vote unless you pay a dollar of taxes," Perkins said.

"But what I really think is, it should be like a corporation. You pay a million dollars in taxes, you get a million votes. How's that?"

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Roy » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:23 pm

US District Court Judge Ronnie Greer threw out a lawsuit by the Green Party challenging Tennessee's photo voter ID law.

Plaintiff’s allegations of Tennessee’s lack of empirical evidence of in-person fraud or that requiring photo identification will reduce it are irrelevant.


He based his decision on Crawford vs. Marion County.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby jonnygothispen » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:20 pm

The voter ID stuff would be OK if election theft was their true concern. If it was, they would also make elections theft free by eliminating the privatization of touch screen machines that includes proprietary programming so no one can see if it's working properly. No one really knows if anyone won an election with that unverified software.

That's the REAL election theft issue. But let's not go there, hey? Let's focus on the 7 felons who shouldn't have voted in Wisconsin in one election cycle instead...

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Roy » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:39 pm

jonnygothispen wrote:The voter ID stuff would be OK if election theft was their true concern. If it was, they would also make elections theft free by eliminating the privatization of touch screen machines that includes proprietary programming so no one can see if it's working properly. No one really knows if anyone won an election with that unverified software.

That's the REAL election theft issue. But let's not go there, hey? Let's focus on the 7 felons who shouldn't have voted in Wisconsin in one election cycle instead...


Theft is the REAL election the concern, as well as electronic voting.

No way should computer voting be allowed anywhere. It is just as insecure as voting without ID.

Nor is there is any way to thoroughly secure electronic voting. And if is supposedly secured, there is no way to prevent programmers can easily leave a back-door entry. Or even without back doors there is little in the computer world that is hacker proof.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby jonnygothispen » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:22 pm

Sandi, it certainly does not appear as if theft is the "REAL concern," since the Republican legislature is blocking 5 pro-voter bills, and since there is little or no evidence of the voter fraud you speak of.

http://lacrossetribune.com/news/opinion ... 03286.html
The conclusion to his 18-month investigation is 11 improper votes out of 2,965,563 votes cast. Van Hollen's charges represent four ten-thousandths of 1 percent (0.0004%) of the total votes cast.

Either Van Hollen is utterly incompetent in bringing bad actors to justice, or he has fraudulently claimed a statewide conspiracy that simply does not exist.

... Van Hollen has produced no evidence that any improper votes were cast as result of these alleged infractions.

Given that former Bush-appointed U.S. Attorney Steven Biskupic was able to secure just five convictions for voting irregularities stemming from the 2004 elections, Van Hollen's frothing insistence that fraud is rampant is simply without merit.


Then there's this...
In the memo, a top aide in the state transportation department told staffers in the motor vehicle department, which is responsible for issuing the free IDs, to "refrain from offering" them to customers who do not specifically ask for them.


and this...

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financia ... KSP800.htm

... it appeared the decisions were based on politics, with the department targeting offices for closure in Democratic areas and expanding hours for those in Republican districts.


... and that 2 guys in a strip mall in Minneapolis count the votes for 2,000 touch screen machines in 40 Wisconsin counties and the rates at which these machines voted for WAlker compared to other methods in the same districts.. See: Richard Charnin.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby DCB » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:30 pm

The Supreme Court is finally taking on our voter ID bill.

And...
Meanwhile, U.S. District Judge Lynn Adelman in Milwaukee is separately weighing two challenges to the law under the U.S. Constitution. A joint trial was held in November, and Adelman could rule any day.


I think if either court tosses it out, the law is toast.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:59 am

The Republican push to greatly shorten early voting has now hit the hearing stage. The GOP claims that it will be unfair for small town residents.

Ashley Luthern of the Journal Sentinel reports: "Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett was joined Sunday by Democratic local and state officials and nonpartisan voting and civil rights organizations in decrying a bill before the state Senate that would limit early voting hours. On Tuesday, the state Senate will take up a bill that would limit early voting to weekdays between 8 a.m. and 7 p.m. Under existing law, early voting is allowed for the two full weeks before an election, ending on the Friday before an election. Republicans who support the bill argue that it levels the playing field for urban and rural areas, which do not have the same resources as large cities to staff long absentee voting hours. Barrett described those who support the bill as being on the wrong side of history, saying that changes related to elections typically seek to make voting more inclusive. He characterized the bill as partisan and designed to keep the current majority party in power."

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby jonnygothispen » Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:22 pm

just a compilation...

• SB 324: Limits early voting hours allowed by municipalities and removes the option of weekend and evening voting leading up to Election Day. This would end convenient opportunities for working people, the elderly and the disabled to vote prior to Election Day.

• SB 267: Places additional burdens on people who wish to register early and on the municipal clerks who register them by demanding certain documents as proof of residence and that the clerks record 2 or 4 digits of the document account number on voter registration forms. It amounts to an unnecessary hurdle for both voters and clerks.

• SB 655: Pay to Play Politics -- allows lobbyists to donate to politicians during election years even if session is ongoing. This allows lobbyist more time to bribe elected officials and unduly influence state policy.

• AB 396: Restricts absentee voting by residents of certain adult-care facilities, including nursing homes and assisted-living facilities by placing unnecessary and burdensome notice requirements prior to the absentee voting process. In addition, all voting at certain adult-care facilities must occur in the presence of 2 election officials, one from each political party. Further, if some residents in an assisted living facility vote absentee at the facility, then all residents must vote by absentee at the facility and are disallowed from voting in the clerk's office or by absentee mail ballot.

*Sen. Grothman has introduced an outrageous bill to end same day voter registration in Wisconsin! Allowing citizens to register to vote on Election Day makes our democracy strong and accessible. People who work for a living, move frequently or are voting for the first time can find it burdensome to register to vote prior to Election Day. In Wisconsin, we have a proud tradition of welcoming all citizens to participate in our democracy. Sen. Grothman’s attempt to control the electorate and limit the voting population is transparent and disgusting.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby FJD » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:22 pm

On Politics: Gov. Scott Walker says he would call voter ID special session

regardless of your position on voter id (and I'm admittedly ambivalent), calling a special session to deal with this subject seems rather excessive.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:16 pm

Francis Di Domizio wrote:regardless of your position on voter id (and I'm admittedly ambivalent)...

Hey Mr. Middle-of-the-Road, I'd like to hear more about your ambivalence. Do you really think that Voter ID laws address actual voting fraud and aren't just a thinly veiled attempt to suppress votes from the left side of the great political divide?

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Roy » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:25 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
Francis Di Domizio wrote:regardless of your position on voter id (and I'm admittedly ambivalent)...

Hey Mr. Middle-of-the-Road, I'd like to hear more about your ambivalence. Do you really think that Voter ID laws address actual voting fraud and aren't just a thinly veiled attempt to suppress votes from the left side of the great political divide?


The only reason to be against voter ID is a thinly veiled attempt to allow all illegal votes which presumably favor democrats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5DwoZpWEuo

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby FJD » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:32 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
Francis Di Domizio wrote:regardless of your position on voter id (and I'm admittedly ambivalent)...

Hey Mr. Middle-of-the-Road, I'd like to hear more about your ambivalence. Do you really think that Voter ID laws address actual voting fraud and aren't just a thinly veiled attempt to suppress votes from the left side of the great political divide?


Well let me sum this up as best I can....

I don't care all that much.

Seriously, on the list of things I care about, I can't even put it in the top 50. Could the law be better? Of course. Is it needed? There's no constitutional requirement that a law address an existing problem. As far as your accusation that this law is an attempt to suppress votes, I wouldn't want to be tasked with arguing that it isn't, but there are definitely people who think it's a real issue.

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Stebben84 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:22 pm

Sandi wrote:The only reason to be against voter ID is a thinly veiled attempt to allow all illegal votes which presumably favor democrats.


And so you link to a stupid political ad that proves nothing. Kudos.

And then there is this:

Electors who have not been issued a Wisconsin driver license must provide the last four digits of their Social Security Number OR their Wisconsin state ID card number.

If the elector does not have a current, valid Wisconsin driver license, Wisconsin state ID card, or Social Security Number, the applicant may indicate this by filling in the appropriate circle on the registration form. (Box 2 on GAB-131)

THE REGISTRATION CANNOT BE PROCESSED UNTIL THE ELECTOR PROVIDES THIS INFORMATION.


http://gab.wi.gov/elections-voting/vote ... ion-voting

You still need to fill out an application which is why that ad was so ridiculously stupid. I remember seeing it when it came out and if had a very short run because of its idiocy.

So on voting day you don't need an id. If someone wants to commit fraud, they would have to come in, give another name and then vote. Ok, that's one. Don't plan on going back to the same place. Drive to another polling place, make sure you got the new name right and do it again. Do this all day and you may get a couple votes depending on how busy it is.

FUCKING REALLY? Do people really think this shit happens and if so has an impact. Bull....Shit.


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