Gamblin': Aye or Nay

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How will you vote on the casino referendum?

Poll ended at Mon Jan 12, 2004 2:02 pm

Yes, allow the casino
17
63%
No, don't allow the casino
10
37%
 
Total votes: 27

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Gamblin': Aye or Nay

Postby jjoyce » Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:02 pm

Guy walks up to a casino in Las Vegas when he's approached by a second man who asks him for money so his wife can have an operation.

"How do I know you're not just going to gamble it all away?" asks the first man.

Second man says, "Oh, I've got gamblin' money."

ba-dump-bump

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Postby Michael Patrick » Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:31 pm

If someone wants to spend their money on nothing (hey, at least beer has calories...), fine by me.

Personally, I've had way too many statistics courses to spend my money that way. I know how to calculate odds, and I'm here to tell you that they ain't in your favor.

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Postby cattyr » Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:42 pm

Just make sure there's a dress code! :P

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casion

Postby dime » Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:54 pm

I only gamble with STDs

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Re: casion

Postby Daisy » Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:58 pm

dime wrote:I only gamble with STDs
NOW you tell me...

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Postby Adam Sinclair » Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:33 pm

Open the casino, then tax it heavily for social services to fund gamblers anonymous programs!

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Postby Darthcrank » Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:12 am

Michael Patrick wrote:If someone wants to spend their money on nothing (hey, at least beer has calories...), fine by me.

Personally, I've had way too many statistics courses to spend my money that way. I know how to calculate odds, and I'm here to tell you that they ain't in your favor.


Wait....you mean those casinos aren't there to make me rich? I thought all they did was hand out the American Indian's excess money.
Good thing you know statistics, cause I'm sure nobody else would have figured it out. Tricky indians.....

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Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:20 am

Adam, cannot do. Indian nations cannot be taxed. Because of that, compacts must be mutually agreed upon for casino approval, and that usually involves the Indian nations' monetary concessions. But taxes - never.

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Postby Michael Patrick » Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:26 am

Darthcrank wrote:
Michael Patrick wrote:If someone wants to spend their money on nothing (hey, at least beer has calories...), fine by me.

Personally, I've had way too many statistics courses to spend my money that way. I know how to calculate odds, and I'm here to tell you that they ain't in your favor.


Wait....you mean those casinos aren't there to make me rich? I thought all they did was hand out the American Indian's excess money.
Good thing you know statistics, cause I'm sure nobody else would have figured it out. Tricky indians.....


And it was a bunch of rich philanthropists who donated the money to build all of those fancy hotels in Las Vegas. It sure wasn't losing gamblers, because everyone I know who has ever gone to Vegas has claimed to come out ahead...

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Postby Adam Sinclair » Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:54 am

Henry Vilas wrote:Adam, cannot do. Indian nations cannot be taxed. Because of that, compacts must be mutually agreed upon for casino approval, and that usually involves the Indian nations' monetary concessions. But taxes - never.


oh ya, loopholes! Actually, I was trying to be sarcastic... don't see that button on my keyboard.

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Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:07 pm

Some people call them loopholes, other call it the Constitution. :wink:

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Postby balsam » Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:30 am

better odds than video poker in taverns

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Postby Darthcrank » Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:07 pm

Michael Patrick wrote:
Darthcrank wrote:
Michael Patrick wrote:If someone wants to spend their money on nothing (hey, at least beer has calories...), fine by me.

Personally, I've had way too many statistics courses to spend my money that way. I know how to calculate odds, and I'm here to tell you that they ain't in your favor.


Wait....you mean those casinos aren't there to make me rich? I thought all they did was hand out the American Indian's excess money.
Good thing you know statistics, cause I'm sure nobody else would have figured it out. Tricky indians.....


And it was a bunch of rich philanthropists who donated the money to build all of those fancy hotels in Las Vegas. It sure wasn't losing gamblers, because everyone I know who has ever gone to Vegas has claimed to come out ahead...


All sacrasm aside for a moment, I think the point is that we try to convince folks from the Chicago area to come up here for vacations and gambling, in order to get *their* money spent here.
So far, folks going hunting and vacationing in the Dells see Madison only as a convenient gas stop as they continue North. We need to lay out some traps by the interstate to grab that cash.

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Postby Donald » Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:33 pm

I've had the opportunity to vote for gambling several times in my life. I've always voted against it, and it has always won. It wins by buying off politicians and the dominant political elements in an area.

Falk, Travis--bought off.
Unions---some bought off, others in the process of being bought off.
Social service agencies---in the process of being bought off.
Progressives---some bought off, others not.
Property Tax Payers--being pandered to

I've lived in a part of a city that was degraded by gambling. I've seen the kind of devastation it can cause in people's lives. I've experienced having friends hooked on gambling. I've seen organizations, such as Toys for Tots, being ripped off by gambling addicts.

Vote No. You will understand in five years it was a big mistake, but then you won't be able to get rid of it.

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Postby Darthcrank » Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:55 pm

"I've lived in a part of a city that was degraded by gambling."

Part of what I like about this casino is that it isn't in a residential or business area. As a matter of fact, there really is no way to simply walk to the place, you have to get a ride there and a ride back to town. It is isolated, surrounded currently by a golf course, a motel and a garbage dump (correct me if I am wrong)..

There are ways to try and protect existing businesses in town, and I expect that voting "yes" isn't simply giving the casino a blank check to operate anything they want (concerts, liquor licenses, etc.).

But I am also tired of our nanny state trying to protect us from every vice available. Drugs, smoking, fatty food, gambling, the whole lot should be legal.


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