Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

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Re: Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

Postby Ned Flanders » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:13 pm

Kenneth Burns wrote:All best to Jason on his last day at Isthmus. I know from working closely with him for years that he's an excellent journalist and a smart technologist. He's also very funny. It's good to work with funny people.

Good night, funnyman!

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Re: Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

Postby Ned Flanders » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:14 pm

Ducatista wrote: Mine, of course, is awesome.

OMG! I want to be your FB BFF!

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Re: Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

Postby snoqueen » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:31 pm

See?

What I said.

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Re: Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

Postby Ducatista » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:43 pm

Sure, sno... except that exchange happened on TDPF. I'd never be bothered by a Ned on facebook, and the rare inappropriate friend request on fbook is seen only by me and dispatched quickly and easily, leaving no trace.

I get that you don't get it. Why keep dissing it?

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Re: Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

Postby snoqueen » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:53 pm

Because I'm a terrible person.

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Re: Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

Postby Ducatista » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:25 pm

That toss-off doesn't sound like you. Facebook really really isn't your thing, eh?

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Re: Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

Postby snoqueen » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:22 pm

All I can say is I haven't found a lot on Facebook that's very thought-provoking. I know you like your personal page and that's great.

When I was friended on to various people's personal pages and I also knew their lives in 3-D. I found the Facebook pages were like advertisements. What I mean is they showed such a sanitized, happified version of the people's actual lives they were totally fake. Looking at the pages, you'd think all these people did was have parties and take vacations, and everything their kids did was excellent and brilliant.

Knowing the people in person, I was aware the truth was more like 180 degrees in the other direction, but you'd never know if all you saw was Facebook. The comments and back-and-forth talk were cutesy and clever but as I said earlier it was mostly one-liners and what one person wrote could have been written by anybody in the world. I couldn't figure out why the people bothered. Maybe your page is more honest and genuine and your contributors have actual discussions, if that's what you want.

The public pages people linked me to today were interesting enough and I appreciated a chance to read them. I have favorite blogs and pages-that-collect-things too, and I mentioned some.

I don't care what people do on their own pages, I was just saying I hope with JJ gone Isthmus doesn't decide to just have a Facebook page and kill off the forum, because I believe it won't attract the same kind of readership or discussion if the quality of other stuff I see on Facebook is any indication. Then I admitted I might be a party of one and totally off base.

I thought the remarks about why should we contribute content to support some zillionaire Web genius's company were right on.

Not sure what more you want. I don't mean to be nasty -- why would I care how someone else feels about their Facebook page? If it works for you, that stands on its own. What I was trying to address was the future of the forum, and we don't even know if it's in question.

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Re: Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

Postby Mad Howler » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:31 pm

I do not like the massive and addictive meta data collection system known as Facebook, so I checked out.
I wonder why the brain children who brought it are on board with petro interests, although that is the prerogative.
I agree with Snoqueen's position that the Isthmus: The Daily Page Forum is a much more interesting place without obvious connections to whatever the 'hot' social media format of today is.

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Re: Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

Postby Ducatista » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:50 am

snoqueen wrote:I know you like your personal page and that's great.

See, that's what I find frustrating. You don't know, but that doesn't stop you from making blithe pronouncements.

I don't like my "personal page." (No such thing, but I'll chalk that up to semantics.) The facebook I like is the content generated by my friends and the public figures and orgs I've chosen to follow. I don't go onto their "personal pages" to get it. The content, and the discussions it spawns, appear in a newsfeed—a little like Twitter, but much richer and more customizable. I control what shows up in the feed, and prioritize the people I'm most interested in so I see more from them.

snoqueen wrote:Not sure what you want.

Fair point. How about easing off the uninformed pronouncements? Your bad experience with facebook reflects on the way you and your friends chose to use it, not on the medium.

snoqueen wrote:I was just saying I hope with JJ gone Isthmus doesn't decide to just have a Facebook page and kill off the forum.

Agreed. Two completely different platforms serving completely different purposes. I've never bothered with Isthmus on facebook—or with the rest of The Daily Page, for that matter, unless I'm looking up movie times or checking on something mentioned by a foron.

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Re: Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

Postby snoqueen » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:37 am

I feel like we had this same argument about high-rises on Langdon Street. Again, I can't even figure out what we're arguing about. You like your Facebook page, you don't HAVE a Facebook page, you like their newsfeed (which you need to have an account to access, so by default you have a page even if it's blank) -- why are we discussing this? Who else cares? Maybe it IS all semantics. I give up.

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Re: Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

Postby TheBookPolice » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:56 am

Sno, I think the problem Ducatista has -- and I think I agree -- is that it doesn't seem like you really understand how Facebook works. I do agree with you that this misunderstanding has to do at some level with terminology, but it's not a distinction without a difference that Ducatista is drawing. Your position on Facebook seems to be uninformed, or at least misinformed, and in no small part thanks to what sounds like a pretty vapid crew of Facebook friends.

But whether you understand or misunderstand Facebook, have just had a bad user experience with it, have superficial and annoying friends, or whatever, I think we can all agree that TDPF is a distinct platform and one that merits its own existence separate from Facebook.

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Re: Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

Postby snoqueen » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:07 am

And I have to note in the Trayvon Martin topic, someone linked to a Facebook comment that was touching and well-written. So of course, the whole entire thing isn't crap and if my remarks left the impression I thought it was, I didn't express myself very well.

Maybe the people I had on my friend list when I (briefly) had that page were vapid. Their Facebook pages sure were. Some were adults and seemed to be making this pretend on-line world for show, but some were my younger relatives who only communicate with Facebook, and the age they were at, everybody is more or less vapid except, maybe, to each other.

Doesn't matter now. I closed that page and made another one with a fake name so I could keep up with the young relatives to some degree, and that's that. I agree damning Facebook because of some of its users is putting the complaint in the wrong place, but I'll stick to the idea its quotient of dumbness seems pretty high. Maybe that's just internet reality in general.

All that said, does anyone else think Facebook is incredibly cluttered and does anybody get creeped out with the way they keep showing me people I'm supposed to know that I've never heard of, or even worse people I've heard of that I want nothing to do with, which means they're showing me to those people at the same time, and the way it supposedly can identify you even in pictures other people took for other purposes, and...

does it make anyone else feel like they're living in a glass house with no drapes?
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Re: Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

Postby green union terrace chair » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:12 am

TheBookPolice wrote:Sno, I think the problem Ducatista has -- and I think I agree -- is that it doesn't seem like you really understand how Facebook works.

As evidenced by the fact that Snoqueen bookmarks Facebook pages.

snoqueen wrote:Until now, I have to say I've never visited a Facebook page I bookmarked, or wanted to return to.

:shock: WTF :shock:

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Re: Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

Postby snoqueen » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:27 am

Well, obviously I know regular users can friend favorite pages instead of just bookmarking them anonymously in their own browser, but my whole purpose is to NOT have my favorite pages broadcast to everybody else on my friend list. You can set up the various tiers of privacy and totally go into the system, or you can minimalize your contact with it which is much easier. You may think I don't understand the system, but clearly you don't understand mystrong intent to stay out of it and keep all my preferences and contacts to myself.

Seriously -- do 100% of you out there think all this exposure and total lack of privacy is a good thing for you, your kids, your family? Do you think there might come a time when you want to draw the drapes and find you can't possibly call back everything you said on Facebook because it spawns itself all over just by how Facebook is structured? Do you ever follow internet links and do searches not because you support whatever it is you're interested in, but because you find it unsettling and want to keep an eye on it? Do you want your people to know you're tracking all that stuff when they might erroneously think it means you adhere to it?

The "privacy" setting on your browser wasn't put there only for porn viewers. Using Facebook to keep track of interesting stuff pretty much cancels out the concept of privacy (if indeed it exists at all, as Edward Snowden has demonstrated). If you don't care and are knowledgeable of the implications, that's up to you. It just creeps me out.

Duca is right. I really, really don't like Facebook.

I like Twitter, on the other hand. I find lots of good stuff that way.

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Re: Jason Joyce leaving Isthmus!?

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:25 am

Back to Jason Joyce. The short news article cited in the opening post says his main focus will be as the Cap Times news editor. That implies he might do other things. Maybe write about sports (which he likes to do). Maybe start a forum for the Cap Times (but he seemed to be burned out with this forum).


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