Adam Powell on the state of online community

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Re: Adam Powell on the state of online community

Postby pjbogart » Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:03 pm

jjoyce wrote:I'm asking you to seek consensus for even one rule you propose. Give me a behavior that we definitely shouldn't stand for and show me a bunch of people -- like 20 or 30 -- who agree with you. Even though it's pretty much impossible for two people on this board to agree on what day it is, I'm not being facetious. And if your response is "that's your job," then your investment in the community is insignificant.


Trollery is like pornography. Hard to define, but you know it when you see it. Sometimes trollish comments are made by people who otherwise offer meaningful participation, so perhaps being a troll has to do with the aggregate of your posts as opposed to one particularly offensive post.

Repetition of derogatory terms within the same post indicate that the person is not trying to make a point, but rather elicit a negative reaction. You don't have to get out a calculator and count the number of derogatory terms, simply reading the post should be enough. For instance...

"Rethuglicans are just a bunch of Nazis. What's hilarious about rethuglicans is that they don't even know that they're Nazis, they just do a bunch of Nazi shit while all their rethuglican friends cheer them on and then they go back to their rethuglican town full of Nazis and talk about how great it is to be a Nazi rethuglican. What a bunch of Nazi rethuglicans."

Stupid, huh? We actually have a poster who writes just like that. And he posts about ten times a day, all of it worthless tripe intended solely to antagonize people.

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Re: Adam Powell on the state of online community

Postby Detritus » Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:07 pm

jjoyce wrote:Nominate a person who you think is qualified to be a community moderator who would actually take the job.

Now how would I know whether or not they would actually take the job?

How about you pick a section of the board to hand over to community moderation and then put out a call for nominations followed by a vote? Include in that what the boundaries are, and how and when to appeal to you. Otherwise it looks like you're just blowing smoke on this.

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Re: Adam Powell on the state of online community

Postby jjoyce » Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:22 pm

My question was rhetorical. I don't think one exists and I don't think there's a decent mechanism to deal with it properly. It would end up taking even more time and energy.

I don't want sympathy, what I want is for someone to take a step back and consider even one aspect of this from a different perspective.

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Re: Adam Powell on the state of online community

Postby jman111 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:31 pm

Perhaps others are simply asking the same of you.

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Re: Adam Powell on the state of online community

Postby Stebben84 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:45 pm

Adam Powell wrote:"We might just have to outwait and survive the trolls, which is no fun at all."


I totally get that. For some it only takes ONE person to keep them going. CB needs ONE person and we get a lot of new people on the forum. Just recently RadicalCheerleader started posting and is fueling the fire just because they don't know better. For CB, that's all he needs to keep going; that one newbie to throw a little gas. Sure I guess we could wait it out, but there are like 10-15 posts in a short amount of time on many threads every day. I have them on my ignore list, but that doesn't work on my phone of which I read many posts(on the bus, etc...) I now hate it because I'll come across a thread I like that now has about 80 fucking emoticons and a bunch of dribble that doesn't make sense.

Plain and simple, it's sloppy and it ruins a good debate.

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Re: Adam Powell on the state of online community

Postby Ducatista » Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:54 pm

minicat wrote:But some of our "conservative" "friends" currently destroying this board are just flat-out provocateurs who contribute no sort of real dialogue. It has nothing to do with political position (if the spew can be considered a position), it has to do with the dishonesty of their approach.

It's that dishonesty, that refusal to engage on any sincere level, that makes me so motherfucking tired. Feh.

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Re: Adam Powell on the state of online community

Postby rabble » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:46 pm

Stebben84 wrote: CB needs ONE person and we get a lot of new people on the forum.

Waitaminute waitaminute. How many times do we need to say it? CB doesn't need anybody. He just posts and posts and posts.

Newbies and anybody else he manages to piss off add to the noise but he's got plenty of material... well, he has lots of ways to keep putting out the same material over and over, anyway.

But he don't need a sparring partner. He just loves to crap. It is NOT an attention-grabbing ploy. It's a human DNS attack.

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Re: Adam Powell on the state of online community

Postby fennel » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:53 pm

rabble wrote:But he don't need a sparring partner. He just loves to crap. It is NOT an attention-grabbing ploy. It's a human DNS attack.
DOS, I think you mean. Denial of Service, right? I think that's an apt description.
The parallel with Shout Radio is pretty obvious.

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Re: Adam Powell on the state of online community

Postby rabble » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:00 pm

fennel wrote:
rabble wrote:But he don't need a sparring partner. He just loves to crap. It is NOT an attention-grabbing ploy. It's a human DNS attack.
DOS, I think you mean. Denial of Service, right? I think that's an apt description.
The parallel with Shout Radio is pretty obvious.

Yes, I don't know if I typoed or mixed it with dns spoofing or both. But yeah that's what I meant.

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Re: Adam Powell on the state of online community

Postby gargantua » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:04 pm

jjoyce wrote:My question was rhetorical. I don't think one exists and I don't think there's a decent mechanism to deal with it properly. It would end up taking even more time and energy.

I don't want sympathy, what I want is for someone to take a step back and consider even one aspect of this from a different perspective.


I must be missing something, because I am mystified by why you seem to think this is so hard. As pjbogart said earlier, "I know it when I see it". You don't have to examine every post on every single thread. You could easily simplify the job by having it be complaint-driven. Set some threshold.....for example you get 5 complaints from 5 different forons in a day. Or multiple complaints from different forons every day for a week. Then you look into it and use your judgement as to whether or not the complaints warrant action.

Yeah, it's a pain, but I suspect using the above thresholds, after dealing with one or two current possible candidates, you probably wouldn't have to deal with it that much.

For the record, I haven't complained about anyone. There are a couple of folks who I find annoying and juvenile, but I don't know that it's a fireable offense. I'm pretty good at ignoring annoyances, but I understand that others just can't.

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Re: Adam Powell on the state of online community

Postby Detritus » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:07 pm

jjoyce wrote:My question was rhetorical. I don't think one exists and I don't think there's a decent mechanism to deal with it properly. It would end up taking even more time and energy.

I don't want sympathy, what I want is for someone to take a step back and consider even one aspect of this from a different perspective.

Uh-huh. Have you ever asked for advice that you actually wanted to receive, or do you typically use "rhetorical" requests for advice in order to whine without admitting that you're doing it?

It's a childish game called "yes, but" that makes passive aggressive look aggressive aggressive.

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Re: Adam Powell on the state of online community

Postby Meade » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:12 pm

minicat wrote:These posters make me long for the halcyon days [of] Blaska


Word.

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Re: Adam Powell on the state of online community

Postby jjoyce » Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:23 am

Detritus wrote:aggressive aggressive.


The point of the question was to get people to realize that it's not a viable option. Do you still believe it is viable to enlist community moderators?

The truth is that they exist now. Nothing is stopping anyone here from putting it straight to these jerks, insisting they change and building a consensus to support you. Community moderation actually happened recently with another tool here because the people posting on the board had had enough and took it upon themselves to send the message.

Nobody been able to say anything similar to "30 active members of the board agree that this guy has to go." Worse, several members clearly enjoy trading it with these people. They can't help themselves. And these are not rookies. They're like the farthest possible thing from rookies.

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Re: Adam Powell on the state of online community

Postby Detritus » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:23 am

jjoyce wrote:
Detritus wrote:aggressive aggressive.


The point of the question was to get people to realize that it's not a viable option. Do you still believe it is viable to enlist community moderators?

The truth is that they exist now. Nothing is stopping anyone here from putting it straight to these jerks, insisting they change and building a consensus to support you. Community moderation actually happened recently with another tool here because the people posting on the board had had enough and took it upon themselves to send the message.

Now I'm really confused. It will never work because it just worked and that's why it will never work?

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Re: Adam Powell on the state of online community

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