TDP community manifesto

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Re: TDP community manifesto

Postby Lily » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:54 pm

I agree wholeheartedly with Maeve. I would say the same thing: 1) Happy BD Jason and Happy Groundhog Day with an early Spring prediction. Yeah! Nice blizzard video's too JJ.
2) TDP has seemed rather lackluster the last few months. I can't tell you how many times I've logged in with the intent to join in on an interesting topic or conversation only to find spam, same old-same old, the jerks who create false personalities to stir the pot, or stuff I just don't plain care about.
3) I enjoy the discussion when it's not taken down a notch to idiotic name-calling and insults. There are some extremely interesting and intelligent forons out there and I love to read what they have to say and what's on their mind. At the same time, sometimes the "discussion" leads to more colorful conversation and that can be fun too. Free speech is worth the price of having to read through some stupid posts.
4) Not much of a Twitter fan but Twitter does have it's fans so it may be worthwhile to think about that venue.
5) I have a FB page but restrict it to out-of-state family as way to keep in touch. Otherwise, FB is kinda boring.
6) If I want to access a blog I can find millions already online including those that write for Isthmus. I like the interaction TDP currently has, since you're asking my opinion. I second not giving those dogs a bone.
7) I most enjoy reading politics, local events, food, what's in the news, responding to newbies looking for info about Madison, but spam and fake posts are not welcome.
8) My suggestions:
You can always update the way the pages look if you want something with more "look". I think they were redone not too long ago and that works but pages can look dated very quickly.

Don't be quick to ban someone. Let some of the more established forons have some fun, unless someone is sounding dangerously violent or abusive. Maybe you could add a feature to the chat where registered forons could actually tag what we consider a post that should be reviewed by an Admin for review and possible removal? Keep in mind that people get passionate about what they care about and I think you want them to care about what is said here so they keep coming back.

Maybe a fresh reorganization of the categories would be in order or perhaps some new ones? Please keep the most recent posts active, since that's what I find the most interesting place to start when I log in, thank you.

Eight below tonight folks. Stay warm.

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Re: TDP community manifesto

Postby gargantua » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:20 pm

I've been on the Forum for almost 9 years, and other for the occasional appearance of a strong personality or two from time to time, it really hasn't seemed to have changed that much.

Over that time, I have become familiar with a number of frequent posters. As a result of this, I usually have a pretty good idea how a given Foron will opine on a particular issue. I usually know if the take will be serious, humorous, snarky. As a seemingly natural result, it just isn't as new, or cool as when I first started participating.

I guess what I'm saying is, at least to me, the Forum hasn't deteriorated. And after several years, it's human nature for a little boredom to set in. Other than for a tweak here and there, I counsel riding it out for a few months. Local elections, a change of season, time for some Walker policies to really bite, and this place could lively up in a hurry.

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Re: TDP community manifesto

Postby pjbogart » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:15 am

I think Gargantua is probably right. I would guess next year's Presidential race will likely heat up TDP.

My only gripe would be that with the exception of Arturo Bandini, our resident right-wingers are invariably nothing but trolls. As the Isthmus is technically a news site, I would think that limiting the amount of disinformation would be a priority. If someone comes along and posts an informative article about climate change, Ned Flanders won't be far behind talking about Dingy Harry, Gramma Nan and Algore's yacht (which apparently has a greater carbon footprint than a Vegas casino).

When the ridicule becomes more entertaining than the news, you're probably not learning much.

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Re: TDP community manifesto

Postby gargantua » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:44 am

pjbogart wrote:My only gripe would be that with the exception of Arturo Bandini, our resident right-wingers are invariably nothing but trolls.


I had the same thought and forgot to include it in my post, so thanks for thinking of it. The lack of much in the way of credible opposition does detract from lively, healthy debate. I don't know quite how to solve that except for all of us trying to make sure that opposing viewpoints are welcome, as long as they are also thoughtful. I know I'm not right about everything and I have learned not to mind being disagreed with.

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Re: TDP community manifesto

Postby jman111 » Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:17 pm

gargantua wrote:The lack of much in the way of credible opposition does detract from lively, healthy debate. I don't know quite how to solve that except for all of us trying to make sure that opposing viewpoints are welcome, as long as they are also thoughtful.

That may fly on the forum. Just be careful elsewhere- the paid contributors aren't necessarily expected to be truthful or thoughtful. Questioning their standards is not always...well....welcomed.

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Re: TDP community manifesto

Postby PopeyeTheSailorman » Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:51 pm

I'm not trying to make this about me but since Jason Joyce and others have specifically mentioned my name I feel I ought to respond.

I returned to the forum after being banned by Jason Joyce a few years ago. The reason I was banned, as I understand it, is Jason felt that I was engaging in personal disputes I was having with certain individuals who have made a lot problems for Jason. I can certainly understand why this was not acceptable behavior on this or any forum.

There are two reasons why I returned to the forum. First, I wanted to respond to Blaska's blog. Second, I wanted to get a feel about what my fellow progressives felt about a recall of Scott Walker.

I am the campaign treasurer for a candidate for the State Supreme Court. As treasurer I want to conduct myself in a way that will not reflect badly on a candidate whom I believe in.

So I made a promise to myself that I would not engage in a personal attacks. I would not bring personal disputes onto these boards and that I would try to refrain from using foul language.

I think I have done a fairly good job of living up to those standards.

My first post was on a thread about recalling Scott Walker. Here is the response I got from Stu Levitan:

Stu Levitan wrote:
PopeyeTheSailorman wrote:
The effort is already underway. We are already getting organized. We will get commitments from patriots to sign a petition. We will organize meet-ups where those who have pledged to sign the petitions will come to actually sign.


Fuck you. How dare you define those who oppose your idiotic, wasteful, silly and counter-productive circle jerk as unpatriotic. Fuck you.

On the evidence of your posting, I think it's highly likely you're a GOP troll doing her best to discredit progressives...Tool.


So how do you like that? I'm back for 5 minutes and Stu Levitan says "Fuck you" to me Nice. Very Nice.

I might add that I did not respond in kind to Stu's uncalled for insults. I contacted Stu on facebook, where he is supposedly my friend. We had a civil conversation about it and remain friends (I hope).

I realize that not everyone cares for my sense of humor. My threads about non-producers was a way to use humor to expose the faulty logic of the conservative viewpoint. And what do I get for that...

Bad Gradger wrote:... If it was me I'd ban Flanders, ban Harris, and make clear to Blaska that not shitting up threads on TDPF is a condition of being paid to blog.


For your information Bad Gradger, I am life long Democrat, liberal, lefty progressive please don't lump me in with Flanders and Blaska.

Another thing Bad Gradger, your user name is STUPID. Sorry but I'm just sayin'...

And then Jason Joyce removes my comments on Blaska's blog...

jjoyce wrote:Are you wondering why we've let Harris Lemberg back on the site?


Listen, Jason if you don't want me here just say so. You don't even have to bother to ban me. I don't like hanging out where I am not wanted. But if I am so bad why were my comments quoted in that section of Isthmus by the letters where they select some quotes from the forum. I must have struck somebody's nerve.

This web forum is not facebook, it is not twitter. Web forums are a completely different experience. There is nothing wrong with this forum that a two week vacation for Jason wouldn't fix. You're too close to this Jason to understand what a gem you have with this web forum. Don't mess it up, man.

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Re: TDP community manifesto

Postby Bad Gradger » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:37 pm

PopeyeTheSailorman wrote:For your information Bad Gradger, I am life long Democrat, liberal, lefty progressive please don't lump me in with Flanders and Blaska.

If you didn't post as many repetitive threads as Flanders and treat dead horses as poorly as Blaska, I wouldn't.

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Re: TDP community manifesto

Postby Ned Flanders » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:41 pm

I don't really think the format is the issue. There are plenty of healthy Isthmus-type forums out there. I agree that the DPF has its ups and downs, which seem to revolve around major elections or events like 9/11. That said, we do seem to be in the midst of a prolonged dry spell. My recommended solution is two-fold:

Content
The lifeblood of any discussion board is the members and the content they provide. Any good discussion includes a wide range of opinions, takes, quips, POVs, I-remember-whens etc. I think the DPF is sorely lacking in this area. You really need to invite and embrace more moderate and conservative members. The current warm and cozy circle-jerk may reassure and calm current members, but it doesn’t really encourage interesting discussions or new members. Attacking and driving off new members and tedious calls for the banning of current members by the self appointed, and clearly insecure members of the “forum police” doesn’t help the situation either. Based on the last election, it’s clear that many people are questioning their political affiliations and the role of government in their lives. I say, strike while the iron’s hot and get some of these newly aware folks into DPF!

Promotion
Get the word out about DPF by utilizing existing Isthmus properties. Run creative banner ads on different parts of the Isthmus site inviting people to become forons. Do the same in the pen and ink version. How about ads on the newspaper racks? Could there be a “join the DPF” table at Isthmus-sponsored events? How about a Foron Roundtable podcast? The more you get people involved with your “brand”, the more loyal they’ll be to it. TDP is a great way for people to get to know and spend time with Isthmus properties.
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Re: TDP community manifesto

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:42 pm

PopeyeTheSailorman wrote:I'm not trying to make this about me...

So you say. Yet you certainly did so in the long-winded post that followed.

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Re: TDP community manifesto

Postby PopeyeTheSailorman » Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:36 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
PopeyeTheSailorman wrote:I'm not trying to make this about me...

So you say. Yet you certainly did so in the long-winded post that followed.


Henry, I usually enjoy your positive contributions to the discussions on this forum. Do you have anything positive to add to this discussion? If not why don't you just sit this one out :D

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Re: TDP community manifesto

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:49 pm

Just calling 'em like I see 'em.

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Re: TDP community manifesto

Postby PopeyeTheSailorman » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:06 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Just calling 'em like I see 'em.



As if you would not respond if you were called out by your real name? :roll:

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Re: TDP community manifesto

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:36 pm

Your real name is PopeyeTheSailorman?

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Re: TDP community manifesto

Postby TheBookPolice » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:40 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Your real name is PopeyeTheSailorman?

To quote Maude Lebowski, "Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey."

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Re: TDP community manifesto

Postby rrnate » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:48 pm

Stu vs. Blues - I love it. (Seriously though, Stu really lets his personality shine on here, doesn't he?)

If we can agree on one thing, it's that whenever I post on here the joint is immediately classed up. However, I'm a lot busier at work than I used to be, which means I'm not able to apply myself here as much as I used to...I know, I know, everyone loses. Sorry folks.

It seems to me that there aren't as many folks in bands posting on here as there used to be (so it's not just me) - let's be frank, a lot of the best non-politics talk on here has been music talk and that is what has been super stagnant lately.


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