They talk by flapping their meat at each other.
Well that certainly explains the Forum.
Ducatista wrote:I was thinking, Hey, where's Atheist, Catholic? when I read your post, which makes you sound simplistic. More comically than offensively, though, so you've got that going for you.
I'm an apathist (don't know, don't much care), but my Catholic upbringing is such a big part of my cultural identity I'm not going to disclaim it.
Agnostic, btw, doesn't mean doesn't care if there's a god. It means doesn't think we can ever know.
Prof. Wagstaff wrote:rabble wrote:I would also suggest that while the universe appears to behave the same when viewed from 15 billion light years away, it is just appearance. We don't know. All we know is that light appears to behave the same way.
We know considerably more than that. Light tells us what the chemical makeup is of the things which it passes through. Observing the universe in all directions at all ages we've found no evidence to suggest that chemistry differs anywhere in the observable universe from how it works in our own neighborhood. That's a pretty strong observation, especially considering there's no theoretical reason why chemistry needs to be the same everywhere. It is completely reasonable to theorize that different pockets of spacetime would have different laws of physics, yet observations have failed to detect any differences.
To say that because the Universe is infinite there must be other civilizations, is no different than saying that in an infinite universe there must be a god out there somewhere. Both of them require some reasoning combined with leaps of faith.
Boyce Johnson wrote:To say that because the Universe is infinite there must be other civilizations, is no different than saying that in an infinite universe there must be a god out there somewhere. Both of them require some reasoning combined with leaps of faith.
It's entirely different.
The case for extraterrestrial life goes something like this:
A. Life exists here.
B. Evidence suggests that conditions there are similar to conditions here.
C. There's a good chance life exists there.
The case for the existence of God:
A. God exists here.
In other words, saying something that is known to exist probably exists elsewhere is quite different than saying something for which there is no evidence exists at all.
rabble wrote:So, you're saying that if X does not exist here, X does not exist anywhere in the universe?
ilikebeans wrote:rabble wrote:So, you're saying that if X does not exist here, X does not exist anywhere in the universe?
Of course not. No one (in this particular sub-discussion) is saying that a god or gods definitely don't exist. We're also not saying that other civilizations definitely exist.
We're saying that the chances of other civilizations existing is a whole lot closer to certainty than gods existing, because, well, we exist. (And conditions for life exist seem to exist elsewhere, blah blah.)
Henry Vilas wrote:Most theologians admit that their belief in a supreme being is a matter of faith and not based on empirical evidence.
rabble wrote:Henry Vilas wrote:Most theologians admit that their belief in a supreme being is a matter of faith and not based on empirical evidence.
Why does that affect the possibility? And why is that different than the belief in extraterrestrials?
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