jjoyce wrote:I don't know who you are, but you've been on this site for a long time and you typically have interesting things to say. But this way of discussing an issue, online or off, is maddening.
Where did I type or say what you're arguing against with that sentence?
You didn't. Someone else did. That's what started this line of conversation.
In this thread, you have assumed all sorts of things about our business model that are inaccurate, treated them as fact and argued against it. The truth about online revenue models is that successful general interest sites need to cobble together a bunch of them. With the way we're situated in the market, display advertising is clearly going to be part of that. We deliver eyeballs.
Yes, turning off ads hurts us, because they figure into the mix.
If me turning off an entire category of internet ads for all sites hurts you, because you are using the same method of delivering ads as a score of highly unethical businesses (even if the content is much more benign than those predators), then I don't much care. I also don't care if I block calls of certain telemarketers in a way that might end up hurting a company I like.
I will gladly contribute to TDP in other ways as an advertising subject or willing monetary contributor, but I am unmoved by the notion that I am hurting TDP by blocking an entire category of advertisements that frequently, if not usually, are a nuisance.
AdBlock+ wasn't created out of some nefarious desire to rob people of money. It was created out of a truly legitimate need to avoid a category of advertising that has often been a nuisance to the Internet. I did not do anything explicit to have it block TDP ads. The only thing I "did" was actually something I "didn't do" which was unblock the ads. Maybe one day I'll do that, but not when my confidence in TDP's ability to use appropriate ads is absent.
I am unwilling to accept the notion that the viewers who have at times been harmed in tangible ways by internet ads should be blamed for not wanting to see internet ads. I am unmoved by the claim that this could eventually doom a company that allegedly (not alleged by me) can't survive without them.
That is the point.
Your response to that statement is that if that's the only way we're making money, then we're on a sinking ship. How do you get from A to B there?
It wasn't my analogy.