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Re: tipping

Postby TheBookPolice » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:21 pm

green union terrace chair wrote:Speaking of being put on the spot ... the new "608" (in the old Paul's Club location" does their credit / debit card transactions on an iPad. There's no paper. So they scan your card, then the bartender leans on the bar, holding the iPad toward you and gazing into your eyes while you push a button for the tip and then sign with your finger.

Awkward on top of awkward.

Not particularly unusual these days -- though it's a bit presumptuous if the bartender didn't offer any sort of verbal direction on how the Square system replaces a standard paper receipt or card scanner.

This thread kind of boggles my mind, save for the last couple posts. I had no idea so many people looked so unkindly on server compensation.

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Re: tipping

Postby Huckleby » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:26 pm

TheBookPolice wrote: I had no idea so many people looked so unkindly on server compensation.


Being against the tipping system is being against server compensation? Unkindly?

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Re: tipping

Postby TheBookPolice » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:04 pm

Your solution to waitstaff being undercompensated by restaurateurs is to have them do more work -- and highly subjective work, by the way -- by rating the diners' friendliness? Good luck with that (if you were serious, and if you weren't, then what are we doing here?). I'll stick with offering a generous tip until such time as all restaurant workers are paid a full, respectable wage for their efforts.

The NYT post linked in the OP describes the no-tipping-please policy of Midtown's Sushi Yasuda. Here's the other side of that policy, from chef/writer/TV personality Andrew Zimmern:

A month ago, I booked a lunch at a sushi restaurant, one of my favorite places in NYC, for a fast, easy business meal in the East 40s. I have eaten there at least once a year since they opened in the late ’90s. It is universally regarded as one of the best sushi bars in America. It’s not cheap, and I think it’s worth every penny. I love taking friends there. I am always treated like everyone else every time I go: I show up, sit, order, eat, pay, leave. I expected the same this time too.


The other shoe falls here, with Grub Street more or less convinced that it's Sushi Yasuda of which he speaks. Something isn't working right there, and I respect Zimmern's rationale for offering a tip regardless of policy.

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Re: tipping

Postby Huckleby » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:04 pm

TheBookPolice wrote: I'll stick with offering a generous tip until such time as all restaurant workers are paid a full, respectable wage for their efforts.


Congratulations on being a fine person. Do not assume that those who disagree with you behave badly.

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Re: tipping

Postby TheBookPolice » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:01 pm

Huckleby wrote:
TheBookPolice wrote: I'll stick with offering a generous tip until such time as all restaurant workers are paid a full, respectable wage for their efforts.

Congratulations on being a fine person. Do not assume that those who disagree with you behave badly.

I'm not assuming anything, nor do I think I'm a fine person. My opinion of your position against tipping is just that: my opinion.

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Re: tipping

Postby Ducatista » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:08 am

Huckleby wrote:I remember a conversation with a nice young woman working as a lifeguard.     She was very pretty, and had an engaging personality.  I always wondered why she wore makeup, and dared to broach topic - I opined she'd be even more attractive without it.   Well, she was fine with my remark, but she said she had to wear makeup because she was a waitress after her lifeguard shift, and her tips were massively better when she wore makeup.

Ugh, total creeper move. It's unlikely she was fine with your remark—a savvy waitress knows how to hide a shudder.

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Re: tipping

Postby Endo Rockstar » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:27 am

Huckleby wrote:I remember a conversation with a nice young woman working as a lifeguard. She was very pretty, and had an engaging personality. I always wondered why she wore makeup, and dared to broach topic -


Cringe.

Huckleby wrote: I opined she'd be even more attractive without it.


double cringe.

Huckleby wrote:Well, she was fine with my remark,


She was most certainly not. --especially from people who use "opined" while penning a story.

Ho. Lee. Sheeeeeeeit.

You haz the weird.

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Re: tipping

Postby snoqueen » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:41 am

Ickkkk.

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Re: tipping

Postby Huckleby » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:16 am

Ducatista wrote:
Huckleby wrote:I remember a conversation with a nice young woman working as a lifeguard.     She was very pretty, and had an engaging personality.  I always wondered why she wore makeup, and dared to broach topic - I opined she'd be even more attractive without it.   Well, she was fine with my remark, but she said she had to wear makeup because she was a waitress after her lifeguard shift, and her tips were massively better when she wore makeup.

Ugh, total creeper move. It's unlikely she was fine with your remark—a savvy waitress knows how to hide a shudder.


Well, I can see how you picture a creeper situation. What you don't know is that we were friends and had many long and personal conversations. Did it ever occur to you that we had a trusting relationship and this woman was comfortable discussing such a squeemish topic?

Good job on the knee-jerk judgmentalism.

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Re: tipping

Postby Huckleby » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:19 am

Endo Rockstar wrote:
Huckleby wrote:Well, she was fine with my remark,


She was most certainly not. --especially from people who use "opined" while penning a story.

Ho. Lee. Sheeeeeeeit.

You haz the weird.

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You're most certain, ehh? And the use of the word "opined" is suspicious.

OK.

Such small-minded, judgmental people.

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Re: tipping

Postby Ducatista » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:28 am

Huckleby wrote:Well, I can see how you picture a creeper situation.    What you don't know is that we were friends and had many long and personal conversations.  Did it ever occur to you that we had a trusting relationship and this woman was comfortable discussing such a squeemish topic?

Of course it didn't occur to me (still doesn't), because you didn't say "friend," you said "nice young woman," and because she had to explain to you that she also worked as a waitress, apparently despite your "trusting relationship" and "long and personal conversations." Creepier and creepier.

You'll never lose your tone-deafness ("squeemish topic"? what are you talking about?) if you always try to rationalize it away. Creep on.

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Re: tipping

Postby Huckleby » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:39 am

I called her a "nice young woman" because that characterizes her better than "friend." It turns out that I am a very personable person that women trust and open-up to, and I love to talk. I have many casual friendships with women where we end-up having long, personal conversations. I tend to relate to women as friends rather than lovers, many people think I'm gay.

I can live with some people in a forum thinking I fit in a creepy box. I am an oddball, that's for sure.

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Re: tipping

Postby Endo Rockstar » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:42 am

Huckleby wrote:I called her a "nice young woman" because that characterizes her better than "friend." It turns out that I am very personable person that women trust and open-up to. I have many casual friendships with women where we end-up having long, personal conversations. I tend to relate to women as friends rather than lovers, many people think I'm gay.

I can live with some people in a forum thinking I fit in a creepy box. I am an oddball, that's for sure.


I'm calling internet Shenanigans.

You don't have beautiful women friends who are lifeguards/waitresses. That's Porn.

You heard it here first. Huck is a phony.

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Re: tipping

Postby Huckleby » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:45 am

yes, they could be blow-up dolls.

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Re: tipping

Postby Endo Rockstar » Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:01 am

Back to tipping.

So right now a beer cost about 3 bucks at a townie bar, I tip a buck a beer- 4 Bucks.

Would you rather the beer just be 4 bucks and not tip? I guess the libertarian in me would like to see that dollar go the server directly rather than to their boss, then the bank, then state government, then federal government, then back around to the server by way of their paycheck.

Just me though. You brought me a beer -- here's a buck for the service and keep 'em coming.

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